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  1.    04 Oct 2017 #231
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Eventuallly, once all the wrinkles have been ironed out, the WinPE/WinRE and MediaSetup files will become so standardised that they will probably exist, compressed, within the recovery environment, and not be part of the build update package at all.
    Best explanation I've heard yet. Brilliant actually. This runs along MS's business plan for one familiar OS to run across all devices and at the same time saving users a lot of downloaded data. No one else on the planet is accomplishing this.

    Eventually as phones get more powerful with miniaturization they will combine mobile into the family. That'll take awhile, though. Then you can bet Windows phones will become more saleable.
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  2.    04 Oct 2017 #232
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEOPEVA64 View Post
    And what about those who do not have a super fast internet connection? precisely that was one of the main reasons why Microsoft introduced the UUP system, by the constant complaints of many insiders in the Feedback hub about the download times, obviously this is not seen in the English version of the Feedback hub, but in other languages ​​like Spanish, the number of complaints about this was overwhelming and the comments that had the most votes were those who spoke about this, and worked because the download times were halved, but in the latest builds already it is not like this, and without this the UUP system doesn't make sense.
    You are missing the point - uup does download what it needs but there is someting highly inefficient in the installation phase. Even when I had a fairly slow broadband, the time to download install.esd was just over an hour, which is a small portion of the five hours in a vm.

    What is the point of halving download times if you double the rest of it? The only people who benefit are those on limited download plans. So, it would not be difficult to ask which way would you like to do it, e.g. recommending uup for slow/limited plans
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  3.    04 Oct 2017 #233
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    Best explanation I've heard yet. Brilliant actually. This runs along MS's business plan for one familiar OS to run across all devices and at the same time saving users a lot of downloaded data. No one else on the planet is accomplishing this.

    Eventually as phones get more powerful with miniaturization they will combine mobile into the family. That'll take awhile, though. Then you can bet Windows phones will become more saleable.
    Microsoft's Projected market share in Phones for 2020 is 0.01% yet they waste their time and your time by still doing them.
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  4.    04 Oct 2017 #234
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    You are missing the point - uup does download what it needs but there is someting highly inefficient in the installation phase. Even when I had a fairly slow broadband, the time to download install.esd was just over an hour, which is a small portion of the five hours in a vm.

    What is the point of halving download times if you double the rest of it? The only people who benefit are those on limited download plans. So, it would not be difficult to ask which way would you like to do it, e.g. recommending uup for slow/limited plans
    Nope, I don't recommend the UUP system at all, I am one of those who want the return of the old system of downloads and installations, in fact, in the times when the downloads lasted half (three months ago) I asked Jason Howard directly when they went to make a survey among the insiders about that, because even with the download time reduced by half, the installation times were excessively long.
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  5.    04 Oct 2017 #235
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    The search which takes place looking for missing files when updating UUP first takes place accounts for minimal time when compared with the total time taken to finish the installation.
    Once files are downloaded next comes preparing files for location... then installing files....then updates.....preparing updates....installing updates....etc etc.
    Far better IMO to just install the whole package in one go....the download would take longer, the installation being much faster.
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  6.    04 Oct 2017 #236
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    What percentage of the other 99.99% of users out in the public are aware of Oct 17th?
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  7.    04 Oct 2017 #237
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    Well, we sit in our fat easy chairs enjoying band width, while others in less fortunate countries struggle to even get a connection, let alone afford a data plan. A computerized device is the best teaching tool since the printing-press-printed books. The greatest creating tool as well.

    So for now we have to wait a little longer for an OS to update while we sit in our fat easy chairs. What's the big deal?

    MS is no slouch of a company. Never has been. They are developing UUP for a very good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by Josey Wales View Post
    Microsoft's Projected market share in Phones for 2020 is 0.01% yet they waste their time and your time by still doing them.
    Not wasting my time. I've enjoyed my Lumia from the day I purchased it almost 4 years ago. Runs right along with my other devices. It has just reached it's limit on OS build update. What is iPhone or an Android time span on that?
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  8.    04 Oct 2017 #238
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    What percentage of the other 99.99% of users out in the public are aware of Oct 17th?
    0.01% of normal people.
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  9.    04 Oct 2017 #239
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    The search which takes place looking for missing files when updating UUP first takes place accounts for minimal time when compared with the total time taken to finish the installation.
    Once files are downloaded next comes preparing files for location... then installing files....then updates.....preparing updates....installing updates....etc etc.
    Far better IMO to just install the whole package in one go....the download would take longer, the installation being much faster.
    UUP saves bandwidth for Microsoft. That's mainly what they are interested in. So they "manufactured" some reasons why it's better for users. Problem is those reasons don't stand up in practice.
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  10.    04 Oct 2017 #240
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    Quote Originally Posted by larc919 View Post
    UUP saves bandwidth for Microsoft. That's mainly what they are interested in. So they "manufactured" some reasons why it's better for users. Problem is those reasons don't stand up in practice.
    MS is not concerned about BW they have more than half the Net does.
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