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  1.    04 Oct 2017 #200

    Winuser said: View Post
    I started the download at 3:22 PM. At midnight it was still installing. I left it run and when I woke up this morning it was finally installed and running. I wish MS would give us the option to choose between UUP or ESD.

    My entire download and install took about 25 minutes, including the restart.
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  2.    04 Oct 2017 #201

    Kari said: View Post
    Before downloading the 17004 upgrade, I had never had a build upgrade done under 4 and a half hours since introduction of UUP in December 2016. At least three three hours to "Restart now", then at least 90 minutes to restart to desktop.

    When 17004 was announced, I turned firewall off and completely disabled Windows Defender, my chosen AV protection. I got to "Restart now" in under 90 minutes, over half from previous record, and restart to desktop was done in just under an hour. Still not as fast as with ESD upgrades, but at least I could cut the time required to half.

    Kari
    Thank's! I'll give that a try next time. I did turn off Windows Defender and turn off my WiFi when I made the ISO.
    Last edited by Winuser; 04 Oct 2017 at 13:26.
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  3. slicendice's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.228 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       04 Oct 2017 #202

    For me it has been a constant ~40 minutes from finding a new upgrade to returning to upgraded desktop, except for a few exceptions where it took closer to 3 hours.

    I always disable Defender before I check WU and re-enable it once upgrade is done.
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       04 Oct 2017 #203

    Kari said: View Post
    Still not as fast as with ESD upgrades, but at least I could cut the time required to half.

    Kari
    Thanks for that little gem, Kari. I'll be sure to check this out next upgrade, especially on the old Acer. That took quite awhile.
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  5.    04 Oct 2017 #204

    slicendice said: View Post
    For me it has been a constant ~40 minutes from finding a new upgrade to returning to upgraded desktop, except for a few exceptions where it took closer to 3 hours.

    I always disable Defender before I check WU and re-enable it once upgrade is done.
    I'm definitely going to turn of Windows Defender the next time a build get's released. My desktop running the Fast Skippy build and my laptop running the Regular Fast build are both for some very reason slow to download and install new builds. My laptop is new so I can't say it was ever fast to upgrade. My Desktop use to take about the same time as most Insiders to download and install. One thing they both have in common is they both use Windows Defender.
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  6.    04 Oct 2017 #205

    Kari said: View Post
    Before downloading the 17004 upgrade, I had never had a build upgrade done under 4 and a half hours since introduction of UUP in December 2016. At least three three hours to "Restart now", then at least 90 minutes to restart to desktop.

    When 17004 was announced, I turned firewall off and completely disabled Windows Defender, my chosen AV protection. I got to "Restart now" in under 90 minutes, over half from previous record, and restart to desktop was done in just under an hour. Still not as fast as with ESD upgrades, but at least I could cut the time required to half.

    Kari
    Doesn't this just sum up the whole problem with UUP - the original intent was to only download what was changed to speed things up. Instead times have doubled or even trebled. This is totally unacceptable.

    OK, it slightly reduces download time and actual download volume, but is far more offset by a truly inefficient and somewhat unreliable upgrade procedure. Hell, UUP falls over for me more that 20% of the time, and it is obvious many others get similar issues.

    I have said it before, and I repeat it - I believe MS are potentially making the biggest mistake of their life running with UUP into general production. Commercially, there is no positive benefit in going for UUP, but the potential dis-benefit potential is enormous.

    Does MS not understand the potential magnitude of fall out, if things go pearshaped - their share price could plummet making them vulnerable to divisional fragmentation or even a takeover.

    I bet the CEO has no idea of the risk that MS is potentially under as his underlings have probably dressed it up as sexy and cool, and this is well demonstrated by the totally immature ninja cat, tacos. hustle-as-a-service bullshit.
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  7. Kari's Avatar
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       04 Oct 2017 #206

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Thanks for that little gem, Kari. I'll be sure to check this out next upgrade, especially on the old Acer. That took quite awhile.
    I decided to test that when noticing that WU quite often failed to download build upgrade at first try if there were a Defender definition upgrade to download, too.

    With 17004 I then used Defender UI to download the definitions update first, then disabled it completely, thought that I might also disable firewall and give it a go.

    Was surprised to see time cut to half.

    Kari
    Last edited by Kari; 04 Oct 2017 at 13:15.
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  8.    04 Oct 2017 #207

    Kari said: View Post
    I decided to test that when noticing that WU quite often failed to download build upgrade at first try if there were a Defender definition upgrade to download, too.

    With 17004 I then used Defender UI to download the definitions update firs, then disabled it completely, though that I might also disable firewall and give it a go.

    Was surprised to see time cut to half.

    Kari
    I did remember your post about the problem with Defender updates and trying to download a new build. Checking for any Defender updates was the first thing I did before checking for a new build. :)
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  9. Posts : 37,567
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       04 Oct 2017 #208

    Kari said: View Post
    I decided to test that when noticing that WU quite often failed to download build upgrade at first try if there were a Defender definition upgrade to download, too.

    With 17004 I then used Defender UI to download the definitions update firs, then disabled it completely, though that I might also disable firewall and give it a go.

    Was surprised to see time cut to half.

    Kari
    Yes, I remember the Defender-failing the upgrade scenario, but I never had that problem myself.

    I wonder then > Does Defender scan the downloading upgrade files in real time? If so, it's creating a bottleneck then. I also wonder then if other AVs do not?
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  10. dencal's Avatar
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    W10 Pro + W10 Preview
       04 Oct 2017 #209

    Concerning Updating.....most of these posts are talking Insider to Insider....mine averaged 40 minutes on a desktop.

    My previous post was Updating an OEM to an Insider.....mine took two and a quarter hours.
    The billions in the outside world wishing to Update to RS3 will not be happy with that.
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