Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Fast Build 16294 for PC Insider

LEOPEVA64 said:

But right now and until October 17, Skip Ahead...

And MS is Frankenstein ?

Fisher Mann said:

Have a M$ latte and it will correctly install inside of 20 minutes

Got mine done on the old Dell, including ISO, in 21/2 hours, about normal. All went smooth but tired right now from the 2:45 AM bed time.

Yeah but as coffee make me violently ill, I would prefer to wait.

cereberus said:

You can disagree as much as you like but you are making assumptions. I have deleted all but EFI and C drive, and I still struggle updating, as do many other tablet users (see linx tablet forum for example).

Yep, I went there with the 14" 32 GB tablet/laptop and after having to return two of them to Office Depot, I cut my losses and waited for a 14" Lappy with a 500 GB hard drive. Yeh, it cost more money, but the ones I had to return were good for nothing but door stops!

cereberus said:

I make Macrium images obviously.

Just because a feature has a risk, does not make it a bad idea, so long as user FULLY understands the risk. All users should have a recovery drive and backup data to an external drive anyway. If a user fails to make a recovery drive, then that is their own fault. Why should I be limited in options because other fail to follow instructions. All tablet manuals I have seen tell you to create a recovery drive.

Anyway, as I said a better solution would be to allow windows.old to be created on another drive. I do not see that as being a difficult solution. This is done in part as you can usb space for temporary storage.

Although I hooked a 1 TB external to the 32 GB drive in the returned tab/laptop(s) there just wasn't enough space to handle Windows 10 updates; both times I tried to update, the machine froze and bricked itself. And, yes, I followed all the instructions on adding the external drive.

BTW, the two returned machines were same version HPs.

cereberus said:

You can disagree as much as you like but you are making assumptions. I have deleted all but EFI and C drive, and I still struggle updating, as do many other tablet users (see linx tablet forum for example).

I make Macrium images obviously.

Just because a feature has a risk, does not make it a bad idea, so long as user FULLY understands the risk. All users should have a recovery drive and backup data to an external drive anyway. If a user fails to make a recovery drive, then that is their own fault. Why should I be limited in options because other fail to follow instructions. All tablet manuals I have seen tell you to create a recovery drive.

Anyway, as I said a better solution would be to allow windows.old to be created on another drive. I do not see that as being a difficult solution. This is done in part as you can usb space for temporary storage.

So you are saying everybody also with big boot drives should start making 500GB-2TB recovery images, just before an upgrade, every time MS decides that it's time for a new OS upgrade?

I think everybody who think removing the windows.old folder feature, has failed to understand the purpose and importance of it. A full system recovery image has nothing to do with that, and it's a waste of time and space in this case.

Removing the factory recovery image is not such a bad idea, since it gets old pretty quick, so that one is also a total waste of time and space in the long run since most of the OEM recovery partitions are custom built anyways, and user can't update it in sync with current installed OS version.

I mean, what the heck would I do with an ancient Windows 7 Home recovery image anyways, if I am running Windows 10 Pro? (just to point out my situation)

slicendice said:

Exactly what is going on here! :)

I do not know..

wow, what a nice surprise on my birthday -- a new build. Downloaded complete with UUPtoISO made. VERY FAST, too.

magilla said:

wow, what a nice surprise on my birthday -- a new build. Downloaded complete with UUPtoISO made. VERY FAST, too.

Happy new build, er, no, happy birthday !!!

slicendice said:

So you are saying everybody also with big boot drives should start making 500GB-2TB recovery images, just before an upgrade, every time MS decides that it's time for a new OS upgrade?

I think everybody who think removing the windows.old folder feature, has failed to understand the purpose and importance of it. A full system recovery image has nothing to do with that, and it's a waste of time and space in this case.

Removing the factory recovery image is not such a bad idea, since it gets old pretty quick, so that one is also a total waste of time and space in the long run since most of the OEM recovery partitions are custom built anyways, and user can't update it in sync with current installed OS version.

I mean, what the heck would I do with an ancient Windows 7 Home recovery image anyways, if I am running Windows 10 Pro? (just to point out my situation)

No - my original post was about 32GB drives, and difficulty in upgrading if you do not have space for windows.old. You obviously have jumped in half way through conversation and are making assumptions.

In fact, same could happen with any drive if filled up enough, but generally that is largely data, so more easy to move. On my 32 GB drive, the space is all taken by programs - I store data on onedrive or sd cards (sd card for non critical data).

Anyway, if you have 500+GB C drives, then that is most likely because you keep all you data on C drive. If you moved that to another drive, I bet the C drive is much smaller, keeping image backup lean and mean. Of course, you still need to backup data anyway, but better ways than using image backups to do this.

BTW - Windows.old is only transient - image backups are permanent. Not only that the rollback functionality is not as robust as it should be - I trust Macrium image backups but not rollback anyway.

CountMike said:

Happy new build, er, no, happy birthday !!!