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  1.    20 Sep 2017 #91
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Equifax got hacked earlier in year too. Then again, and didn't say a word. I don't feel piriform really did something bad here.
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  2.    20 Sep 2017 #92
    Join Date : Apr 2017
    Mountains of Western NC
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    Win 10 Pro x64 17040 Skippy

    Got my latest up dates and turned CC back on. Stuff happens. They fixed it, life moves on.
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  3.    20 Sep 2017 #93
    Join Date : Jul 2017
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    Windows 10 Home

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    This is i always chuckle from people who claim to not need AV protection, who always want to be admin and say that common sense is all you need.
    I hate to tell you but you are wrong. If you installed version 5.33 in a 32 bits system, you got infected, regardless of whether you were using an AV or not. The only thing that kept users from getting infected was if you were using 64 bits Windows or didn't install CCleaner 5.33.

    Myself, I dont use antivirus or any anti this type of programs and run as an administrator and didn't get infected. Why not? Because I got lucky. My W10 is 64 bits and I never got to install version 5.33, I am still using version 5.32 in that computer. And in my W7 32 bits laptop, I am still using version 5.27. Other than my W10 being 64 bits, the one thing that helped me stay away from getting infected is that I have the habit of not updating CCleaner every time a new version comes out. I update CCleaner about 3 or 4 times a year.

    Bo
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  4.    20 Sep 2017 #94
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Bo,

    Understood. In this case, it was too new and AV wasn't catching it.

    My general point i was trying to make is that common sense and only visiting trustworthy websites would not have been enough here. Even though piraform is usually safe, this time it wasn't.
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  5.    20 Sep 2017 #95
    Join Date : Jul 2017
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    Windows 10 Home

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    Bo,

    Understood. In this case, it was too new and AV wasn't catching it.

    My general point i was trying to make is that common sense and only visiting trustworthy websites would not have been enough here. Even though piraform is usually safe, this time it wasn't.
    Hi pparks1, I haven't used an AV in a long time, I dont even use on demand scanners and learned how to handle security without using anything but one program, and NoScript for browsing. But this CCleaner infection is one case where I would have been infected if I had installed 5.33 in my 32 bits W7 and none of what I do for protection, would have protected me. Kind of scary. So, in a way, we agree. I always kind of felt safe downloading from the developers site but this case here and others like it make it obvious that from now on, not even that is safe. I install very few programs, the lesser the better, that's part of my security approach but you need to update sometimes.

    By the way, I never mention common sense when I talk about running without AV, to me personally, it has nothing to do with what keeps me safe. One thing I can tell you though, I visit all kind of sites, nasty sites to stream live sports, and they are bad. Thankfully, I use NoScript, NS tame the sties. I read someone here in another thread talking about the internet being like "Shark infected waters". And it is if your security depends on antiviruses and that kind of programs to protect yourself. In my case, the sharks in those waters became sardines, they dont do nothing to you. Thats what NoScript those for me, it allows me to visit nasty, not trustworthy sites and come out smelling like a rose.

    Bo
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  6.    20 Sep 2017 #96
    Join Date : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Quote Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
    This is i always chuckle from people who claim to not need AV protection, who always want to be admin and say that common sense is all you need. Sometimes, legit sites can get hit too. Reputable software becomes compromised.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by bo elam View Post
    By the way, I never mention common sense when I talk about running without AV, to me personally, it has nothing to do with what keeps me safe. One thing I can tell you though, I visit all kind of sites, nasty sites to stream live sports, and they are bad. Thankfully, I use NoScript, NS tame the sties. I read someone here in another thread talking about the internet being like "Shark infected waters". And it is if your security depends on antiviruses and that kind of programs to protect yourself. In my case, the sharks in those waters became sardines, they dont do nothing to you. Thats what NoScript those for me, it allows me to visit nasty, not trustworthy sites and come out smelling like a rose.
    IMO, people who surf the Internet without some type of Flash/script blocker are asking for trouble.
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  7.    20 Sep 2017 #97
    Join Date : Jun 2014
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    Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

    Look's like it was a targeted attack

    Source:
    Cisco's Talos Intelligence Group Blog: CCleaner Command and Control Causes Concern

    In analyzing the delivery code from the C2 server, what immediately stands out is a list of organizations, including Cisco, that were specifically targeted through delivery of a second-stage loader. Based on a review of the C2 tracking database, which only covers four days in September, we can confirm that at least 20 victim machines were served specialized secondary payloads. Below is a list of domains the attackers were attempting to target.
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  8.    21 Sep 2017 #98
    Join Date : Nov 2015
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    Windows 10 Home Version 1709 Build 16299.19

    After analyzing these files, researchers realized that initial reports on the CCleaner malware — named Floxif — were false.

    Initial reports said the malware had the ability to download a second-stage payload and execute other malware, but this feature was never used.

    After analyzing the C&C server's database, researchers said operators infected 20 computers around the globe.

    "This demonstrates the level of access that was made available to the attackers through the use of this infrastructure and associated malware and further highlights the severity and potential impact of this attack," Cisco researchers explain.

    Researchers also point out that because of the incomplete C&C server data and because attackers downloaded a silent second-stage downloader, users who ran the tainted versions of CCleaner should wipe clean or restore from backups made before August 15, when the two CCleaner tainted versions were released. The previous advice to deal with the malware was to only update the CCleaner apps.

    CCleaner Hack Carried Out In Order to Target Big Tech Companies
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  9.    21 Sep 2017 #99
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Oklahoma City
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    Windows 10 1703 Build 15063

    I believe the decision is up to the individual user - either use CC or don't use it. I plan to continue using it but that is my personal decision. I did the same with Kaspersky - made my personal decision and moved on. With all the earthquakes and hurricanes tearing up the lives of so many, this seems a little trivial anyway.
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  10.    21 Sep 2017 #100
    Join Date : May 2016
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    Windows 10

    Funny but every time I update CC Cleaner, I keep the old installation file. Yesterday Windoze Defender reported that the .33 version of the installer was infected, and removed it for me! How handy. Fortunately I also upgraded several times since then with newer versions, plus I'm 64 bit here. I thought it was funny that Windoze Defender finally flagged it!
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