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  1.    13 Aug 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi folks.

    Hope also that finally the rediculous 256 Char limit on file+directory name limit is gone in the new file system too -- although I haven't seen that mentioned in the specs so far.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I would get pro workstation just for this, i see i can format in ReFS format in my win 10 pro but i can not
    install it in ReFS?
    Last edited by roy111; 13 Aug 2017 at 07:38.
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  2.    13 Aug 2017 #12

    I thought MS were cutting down on the number of SKUs, but it seems to be increasing again.

    Is there an option to use ReFS in 10 Pro now?
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  3.    13 Aug 2017 #13

    Quote Originally Posted by swarfega View Post
    I thought MS were cutting down on the number of SKUs, but it seems to be increasing again.

    Is there an option to use ReFS in 10 Pro now?
    Hi there
    @swarfega


    I think if you use storage spaces it *might* be possible -- but I don't actually know.

    @roy111

    I wouldn't buy Workstation PRO just for the file system -- but I certainly would consider it if I had a 4 core XEON type processor etc -- current Windows allows max of 2 cores only. 4 cores would significantly boost hyperthreading too -- so would be great for VM's too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4.    13 Aug 2017 #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by swarfega View Post
    I thought MS were cutting down on the number of SKUs, but it seems to be increasing again.

    Is there an option to use ReFS in 10 Pro now?
    Yes - just not for boot drive. You can't install server on REFS either. It isn't clear if this is new functionality at all.

    Enable or Disable ReFS File System in Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 Windows 10 Hardware Drivers Tutorials

    What is surprising to be missing is deduplication as that is a server feature that would certainly be useful for some users.

    Still 6TB RAM maximum is nice - now we can open 3 chrome tabs (joke copied from somewhere but I forget where).

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    I wouldn't buy Workstation PRO just for the file system -- but I certainly would consider it if I had a 4 core XEON type processor etc -- current Windows allows max of 2 cores only. 4 cores would significantly boost hyperthreading too -- so would be great for VM's too
    It is 4 sockets that is supported - not 4 cores. Currently Pro supports 2 sockets but no limit (afaik) on cores other than what you can buy.
    Four-socket support pushes the E5 family up to 88 cores and an AMD platform up to a hypothetical 128 cores. (I say hypothetical, because I’m not sure there are any near-term, workstation-class motherboards with four-socket support for AMD’s Naples coming down the pipe.)
    Microsoft Preps Windows 10 Pro for Workstation PCs - ExtremeTech
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  5.    13 Aug 2017 #15

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there
    @swarfega


    I think if you use storage spaces it *might* be possible -- but I don't actually know.

    @roy111

    I wouldn't buy Workstation PRO just for the file system -- but I certainly would consider it if I had a 4 core XEON type processor etc -- current Windows allows max of 2 cores only. 4 cores would significantly boost hyperthreading too -- so would be great for VM's too.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    MS where going to change from NTFS I think in the early development of Vista (?) but dropped it.
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  6.    13 Aug 2017 #16

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Gosh this is so tiresome a response - pot calling the kettle back given Linuxians are by far worse trolls!

    I have yet to see a single Linux Distro that runs the range of software I need, especially work related programs. It is not an excuse - it is a fact. There is no Linux distro that runs MS Office, and Linuxians always bullshit about alternatives but they are only any good for basic stuff. There are countless engineering apps that do not run on Linux.



    It always depends on what you need to do of course but I have found over the years that things like running multi-media / file servers etc are so much simple on Linux than Windows (and it ALWAYS works !!!)

    No matter how good a Linux install is, you inevitably have to delve into terminal sessions to often do fairly basic things,

    The Windows versions are each targeted at a specific set of persons. For most domestic users, there are only three versions (Home, Pro and Education). The N versions were necesary to comply with EU law, but you are not obliged to use it, and indeed most EU persons I know simply use the normal versions.

    For domestic users, there are so many distros, and no obvious way of choosing which is better. Hell, they are not even that compatible with each other - commands that work on one do not work on another.

    By and large Windows works the same across all versions but of course Home has more restrictions than Pro etc. But the base stuff is identical.

    Sure Linux has its place eg server market, but as a general all purpose tool - don't make me laugh!
    Hi there

    @cereberus

    That's not really the point -- although things like WPS Office are as good a clone of Ms Office as you are ever likely to see.

    Windows runs an incredible amount of diverse software and on really a humungous amount of different hardware -- and that's fine.

    I'm not saying Linux should be used by an average user as a desktop OS if they need access to these types of applications -- but if you need to set up servers or create things like VPN's, gateways, VDI (Virtual desktop infrastructure) then ANY windows server is an absolute dog to set up compared with its Linux counterpart -- and even serious Windows Network admins will usually agree on that one.

    However there are a LOAD of decent FREE apps that will run on a Linux desktop such as Thunderbird (email client that makes Outlook seem a bit of a joke) and the GIMP which is a hugely successful FREE photo / image manipulation that can do almost anything it's nearly 700 USD PHOTOSHOP Windows sibling can do.

    I agree if you need certain apps like a lot of commercial Engineering stuff / 3D CAD etc then Windows is your only choice -- but this is as I think you guys say on the Island "Horses for Courses".

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  7.    13 Aug 2017 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    @cereberus

    That's not really the point -- although things like WPS Office are as good a clone of Ms Office as you are ever likely to see.

    Windows runs an incredible amount of diverse software -- and that's fine.

    I'm not saying Linux should be used by an average user as a desktop OS if they need access to these types of applications -- but if you need to set up servers or create things like VPN's, gateways, VDI (Virtual desktop infrastructure) then ANY windows server is an absolute dog to set up compared with its Linux counterpart -- and even serious Windows Network admins will usually agree on that one.

    However there are a LOAD of decent FREE apps that will run on a Linux desktop such as Thunderbird (email client that makes Outlook seem a bit of a joke) and the GIMP which is a hugely successful FREE photo / image manipulation that can do almost anything it's nearly 700 USD PHOTOSHOP Windows sibling can do.

    I agree if you need certain apps like a lot of commercial Engineering stuff / 3D CAD etc then Windows is your only choice -- but this is as I think you guys say on the Island "Horses for Courses".

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Agreed. I just took exception to statement if you like Windows you are a fanboy or a troll. Everybody has different needs. As you say Horses for Courses.
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  8.    14 Aug 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Gosh this is so tiresome a response - pot calling the kettle back given Linuxians are by far worse trolls!
    Pointing out the bad behavior of others, doesn't invalidate the original point.

    I didn't advocate switching from Windows either.

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    No matter how good a Linux install is, you inevitably have to delve into terminal sessions to often do fairly basic things,
    Agreed.
    I certainly have to open up the Terminal far more often than the Windows Command Prompt.

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Sure Linux has its place eg server market, but as a general all purpose tool - don't make me laugh!
    Using a browser, listening to music or watching a video is basically identical in Windows, OS X and Linux Distros.

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Agreed. I just took exception to statement if you like Windows you are a fanboy or a troll. Everybody has different needs. As you say Horses for Courses.
    I did not say, "all Windows users are Fanboys and/or Trolls", you assumed that.

    I use Windows for 90%+ of my computing (W7, XP & W10) and Linux Mint for the rest.

    Trolls are different to Fanboys, just as Fanboys are different to normal users.

    Trolls just cruise around posting random inflammatory comments.
    For example, they "slag" Windows on Windows forums and then slag Linux on Linux forums.

    Fanboys justify any annoying/stupid thing, because their chosen OS is the best.
    For example, when MS has released a dodgy update (and acknowledged that fact) fanboys will still claim that it is the fault of anyone/everyone else (e.g. users, OEMs, peripheral makers, etc.).

    Every normal user can point out things that (in their opinion) are annoying/stupid in their chosen OS.

    I didn't think it wouldn't be necessary to include a disclaimer about "Windows Only" software.
    Almost everyone reading comments on this forum already knows that.

    Obviously if you need to use "Windows Only" software, then it's tricky to make it run on a Linux Distro or OS X.
    Virtualization is one way to get around that.
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