Windows 10: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Fast Build 16257 PC + 15237 Mobile Insider


  1. Posts : 3,310
    Windows 10 Pro x64 v1803 Build 17134.191 (Branch: RS4 Release Preview)
       12 Aug 2017 #900

    Kari said: View Post
    What I mean is, that in my opinion it is OK that Microsoft kills some features that can be done with free third party alternatives. Windows does not have to be a complete solution, it just needs to offer a platform to do about everything.
    Absolutely agree. Get rid of the clutter and focus on what an OS is all about. Let others do the application parts. :)
      My ComputersSystem Spec

  2.    12 Aug 2017 #901

    Kari said: View Post
    What I mean is, that in my opinion it is OK that Microsoft kills some features that can be done with free third party alternatives. Windows does not have to be a complete solution, it just needs to offer a platform to do about everything.
    Only point of concern could be that 3rd party tools take this as an opportunity to introduce a charge ie big boys form a cartel which will be easier to do now?

    I really doubt this would happen but.....
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  3. Posts : 14,380
    Windows 10 Pro
       12 Aug 2017 #902

    cereberus said: View Post
    Only point of concern could be that 3rd party tools take this as an opportunity to introduce a charge ie big boys form a cartel which will be easier to do now?

    I really doubt this would happen but.....
    Again, the following is just my personal opinion without any factual base:

    I am absolutely 100% sure that if suddenly there were no free third party options to make image backups, next feature upgrade would introduce a new W10 native backup.

    What I mean is that Microsoft takes care of these basic needs of us users. Backup is important but it can be done today for free, using third party tools. That's why Microsoft sees no need to continue including native backup tool in W10. But, if situation changed, if there suddenly were no free imaging tools available, I am sure we would get a native imaging tool again in Windows.
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  4. Posts : 20,695
    Windows 10 Skip Ahead Preview Build 18204
       12 Aug 2017 #903

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Here's a little MS site than kinda says they'll probably call it "Fall", but who knows....

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ll-creators-up

    Also an interesting excerpt. Bye-Bye, Win 7 legacy System Image Backup!



    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
    Thanks, TC. This is a good one, but I don't find a date on it; I've found other references to Fall Update with May, June and July dates, though.
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  5. Posts : 35,288
    Triple boot - Win 10 Pro, Win 10 Pro Insider (2) - (and a sprinkling of VMs)
       12 Aug 2017 #904

    Wynona said: View Post
    Thanks, TC. This is a good one, but I don't find a date on it; I've found other references to Fall Update with May, June and July dates, though.
    Wyn, at the very end:

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2017-08-12_12h54_15.png 
Views:	2 
Size:	25.5 KB 
ID:	148560
      My ComputersSystem Spec


  6. Posts : 772
    WINDOWS 10 Pro x64 builds 17134.191, 17733.1000, 18204.1001.
       12 Aug 2017 #905

    I have always used the native Windows tool to create images of the system, (last night I created two images, one of Creators Update and another one of build 16257) seems very easy to use for the average user, it takes very little time to create the Image and even less restoring the system, I never had or felt the need to use another tool.
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  7. Posts : 38,043
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       12 Aug 2017 #906

    cereberus said: View Post
    Only one minor point - initial release was not only released as free upgrade. If you did not have a qualifying licence, you still has to pay.
      My ComputersSystem Spec


  8. Posts : 20,695
    Windows 10 Skip Ahead Preview Build 18204
       12 Aug 2017 #907

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    Wyn, at the very end:

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	2017-08-12_12h54_15.png 
Views:	2 
Size:	25.5 KB 
ID:	148560
    Well, duhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I bookmarked it for later reading and didn't scroll down that far. Thanks!
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  9. Posts : 38,043
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       12 Aug 2017 #908

    Kari said: View Post
    Please notice, this is just my personal, subjective opinion:

    I think Microsoft's policy is right. Windows does not have to include every possible feature and tool. As third party applications to do some tasks can be found for free (like Macrium Reflect for backups), it is unnecessary to natively add these features to Windows.

    Windows native backup reached its end of life. It is / was not as easy to use as free third party alternatives. In my opinion, it was a right decision to kill it and let users choose a third party alternative instead.
    I respect your opinion and know you posted with a proper motive. However, I disagree on ease of use. At least I didn't find it complicated. Just but a few clicks really. Just a sophisticated copy and paste function really.

    Wasnít sure why it wasnít included with 8/8.1. Guessing MS didnít want to spend the money on further development. Seems like thatís when the competition honed in on that market.

    Kari said: View Post
    I am absolutely 100% sure that if suddenly there were no free third party options to make image backups, next feature upgrade would introduce a new W10 native backup
    Iíll predict thatís exactly what will happen. No more free 3rd party. Hopefully MS is developing a new one.
      My ComputersSystem Spec


  10. Posts : 38,043
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       12 Aug 2017 #909

    LEOPEVA64 said: View Post
    I have always used the native Windows tool to create images of the system, (last night I created two images, one of Creators Update and another one of build 16257) seems very easy to use for the average user, it takes very little time to create the Image and even less restoring the system, I never had or felt the need to use another tool.
    Couldn't agree more.
      My ComputersSystem Spec


 

Related Threads
883370827718172672 Source: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16237 for PC - Windows Experience Blog How to Start or Stop Receiving Insider Builds in Windows 10
786612992179712000 Source: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14946 for PC and Mobile | Windows Experience Blog PC: How to Start or Stop Receiving Insider Builds in Windows 10
784439136002375681 784446397466681344 Source: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14942 for PC | Windows Experience Blog How to Start or Stop Receiving Insider Builds in Windows 10
UPDATE: July 15th 2016 754001939445219329 752986516746493952 Source: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14388 for PC and Mobile | Windows Experience Blog
UPDATE: 742889757512867840 Source: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14366 Mobile Build 14364 | Windows Experience Blog
Our Sites
Site Links
About Us
Windows 10 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 10" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

© Designer Media Ltd
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 18:23.
Find Us