Announcing Windows 10 Insider Fast Build 16257 PC + 15237 Mobile  


  1. Posts : 4,666
    Windows 10 Pro x64 21H1 Build 19043.1151 (Branch: Release Preview)
       #900

    Kari said:
    What I mean is, that in my opinion it is OK that Microsoft kills some features that can be done with free third party alternatives. Windows does not have to be a complete solution, it just needs to offer a platform to do about everything.
    Absolutely agree. Get rid of the clutter and focus on what an OS is all about. Let others do the application parts. :)
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       #901

    Kari said:
    What I mean is, that in my opinion it is OK that Microsoft kills some features that can be done with free third party alternatives. Windows does not have to be a complete solution, it just needs to offer a platform to do about everything.
    Only point of concern could be that 3rd party tools take this as an opportunity to introduce a charge ie big boys form a cartel which will be easier to do now?

    I really doubt this would happen but.....
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       #902

    cereberus said:
    Only point of concern could be that 3rd party tools take this as an opportunity to introduce a charge ie big boys form a cartel which will be easier to do now?

    I really doubt this would happen but.....
    Again, the following is just my personal opinion without any factual base:

    I am absolutely 100% sure that if suddenly there were no free third party options to make image backups, next feature upgrade would introduce a new W10 native backup.

    What I mean is that Microsoft takes care of these basic needs of us users. Backup is important but it can be done today for free, using third party tools. That's why Microsoft sees no need to continue including native backup tool in W10. But, if situation changed, if there suddenly were no free imaging tools available, I am sure we would get a native imaging tool again in Windows.
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    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #903

    f14tomcat said:
    Here's a little MS site than kinda says they'll probably call it "Fall", but who knows....

    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...ll-creators-up

    Also an interesting excerpt. Bye-Bye, Win 7 legacy System Image Backup!



    System Image Backup (SIB) Solution
    We recommend that users use full-disk backup solutions from other vendors.
    Thanks, TC. This is a good one, but I don't find a date on it; I've found other references to Fall Update with May, June and July dates, though.
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       #904

    Wynona said:
    Thanks, TC. This is a good one, but I don't find a date on it; I've found other references to Fall Update with May, June and July dates, though.
    Wyn, at the very end:

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    WINDOWS 10 Pro x64 build 19042.685
       #905

    I have always used the native Windows tool to create images of the system, (last night I created two images, one of Creators Update and another one of build 16257) seems very easy to use for the average user, it takes very little time to create the Image and even less restoring the system, I never had or felt the need to use another tool.
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & current Insider 10 Pro
       #906

    cereberus said:
    Only one minor point - initial release was not only released as free upgrade. If you did not have a qualifying licence, you still has to pay.
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    Windows 10 21H1 Build 19043.1023
       #907

    f14tomcat said:
    Wyn, at the very end:

    Announcing Windows 10 Insider Fast Build 16257 PC + 15237 Mobile-2017-08-12_12h54_15.png
    Well, duhhhhhhhhhhhhh! I bookmarked it for later reading and didn't scroll down that far. Thanks!
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       #908

    Kari said:
    Please notice, this is just my personal, subjective opinion:

    I think Microsoft's policy is right. Windows does not have to include every possible feature and tool. As third party applications to do some tasks can be found for free (like Macrium Reflect for backups), it is unnecessary to natively add these features to Windows.

    Windows native backup reached its end of life. It is / was not as easy to use as free third party alternatives. In my opinion, it was a right decision to kill it and let users choose a third party alternative instead.
    I respect your opinion and know you posted with a proper motive. However, I disagree on ease of use. At least I didn't find it complicated. Just but a few clicks really. Just a sophisticated copy and paste function really.

    Wasnít sure why it wasnít included with 8/8.1. Guessing MS didnít want to spend the money on further development. Seems like thatís when the competition honed in on that market.

    Kari said:
    I am absolutely 100% sure that if suddenly there were no free third party options to make image backups, next feature upgrade would introduce a new W10 native backup
    Iíll predict thatís exactly what will happen. No more free 3rd party. Hopefully MS is developing a new one.
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       #909

    LEOPEVA64 said:
    I have always used the native Windows tool to create images of the system, (last night I created two images, one of Creators Update and another one of build 16257) seems very easy to use for the average user, it takes very little time to create the Image and even less restoring the system, I never had or felt the need to use another tool.
    Couldn't agree more.
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