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  1.    04 Aug 2017 #201
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    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Quote Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
    There must be a lot of badly written legacy code in Windows that is quite difficult to modify without unintended effects.
    Yes, I know current Kernel has disabled legacy code and interfaces from the OS/2 era which they now enabled again for WSL to work. THAT IS OLD CODE! Not sure how much they have fixed and updated it though.
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  2.    04 Aug 2017 #202
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    Latest Insider Build

    Would be interesting to see what % of the Insiders opted for the "Skip Ahead". My guess, they limited the participation in the "Skip Ahead" program so as not to deplete the number of Insiders in the rs3 program.
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  3.    04 Aug 2017 #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by 24c View Post
    Would be interesting to see what % of the Insiders opted for the "Skip Ahead". My guess, they limited the participation in the "Skip Ahead" program so as not to deplete the number of Insiders in the rs3 program.
    Yes they did limit it. They even announced why and how important RS3 is compared to Skip Ahead.
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  4.    04 Aug 2017 #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    Yes, I know current Kernel has disabled legacy code and interfaces from the OS/2 era which they now enabled again for WSL to work. THAT IS OLD CODE! Not sure how much they have fixed and updated it though.
    Ah OS/2. That was way ahead of it's time.
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  5.    04 Aug 2017 #205
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    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    Agree, the most enthusiastic insiders want to have the latest under construction apps available for testing at all times. Personally I hate when suddenly after an update I have some very ancient App with a lot of missing functions, when I could use a perfectly functioning beta App that makes my life much easier.

    One good example would be OneDrive Client. I hate the default one, but the latest beta is awesome.

    Example: I upgraded from 16251.0 to 16257.1 and my OneDrive client got downgraded. But later I got it update to an even newer version than I had before.
    You are missing the point.....M$ release the Insider program hoping for assistance in sorting out bugs for their benefit.....you appear to want a fully operational O/S specifically for your own personal use.
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  6.    04 Aug 2017 #206
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    You are missing the point.....M$ release the Insider program hoping for assistance in sorting out bugs for their benefit.....you appear to want a fully operational O/S specifically for your own personal use.
    Exactly.
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  7.    04 Aug 2017 #207
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    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    You are missing the point.....M$ release the Insider program hoping for assistance in sorting out bugs for their benefit.....you appear to want a fully operational O/S specifically for your own personal use.
    No I am not missing the point.

    MS started the Program for two main reasons.

    1. To get Windows out faster and get bugs fixed faster
    2. To know what features users really want and rather work on that than features nobody want


    If you haven't noticed, a lot of stuff people really hate gets removed or fixed rather quickly. Demand causes supply, or MS would soon run out of business.

    We are building Windows together, though insiders are not writing any code, we are still actively part of the design team.

    Of course I want a fully operational OS for my personal use, that is why I use computers in the first place. To get things done, and that requires the OS to work as expected with useful features.

    I do however NOT expect that everything is bug free while an insider, but I DO use beta software with new features as soon as possible if they work stable enough for my use.

    Who benefits from this? MS only? NO, we all benefit from it!! The main point of the program is to move forward NOT backwards, isn't it?
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  8.    04 Aug 2017 #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by kado897 View Post
    I can't see why MS thought skip ahead was a good idea for it's testing program. Surely MS's priorities must be in getting the RS3 release solid.
    Well, they are surely working on some stuff for Rs4 so might as well share it and that way give it longer testing time.
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  9.    04 Aug 2017 #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by slicendice View Post
    No I am not missing the point.

    MS started the Program for two main reasons.

    1. To get Windows out faster and get bugs fixed faster
    2. To know what features users really want and rather work on that than features nobody want


    If you haven't noticed, a lot of stuff people really hate gets removed or fixed rather quickly. Demand causes supply, or MS would soon run out of business.

    We are building Windows together, though insiders are not writing any code, we are still actively part of the design team.

    Of course I want a fully operational OS for my personal use, that is why I use computers in the first place. To get things done, and that requires the OS to work as expected with useful features.

    I do however NOT expect that everything is bug free while an insider, but I DO use beta software with new features as soon as possible if they work stable enough for my use.

    Who benefits from this? MS only? NO, we all benefit from it!! The main point of the program is to move forward NOT backwards, isn't it?
    Well said all the way around, except for one thing. I’m thinking MS wants everyone on RS3 release to test for the Fall release. All the features they want introduced are already implemented. The Insider skip-ahead/prerelease option will continue after the Fall OEM release.

    “Nothing in America happens unless something gets sold.” ~ Accredited to IBM management circa early 50’s.
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  10.    04 Aug 2017 #210
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    Windows 10 Pro IP Build 16299.19 (Branch: RS3 Release)

    Just to return to the testing part, as some people think I expect MS to write their OS for MY benefit only:

    I have found a lot of components in latest builds that are over 2 years old and containing all the bugs that has already been fixed 3 times. Why would I want such components to exist on my latest insider build, when I already know they have a working version. I rather have the latest component with new unstable features, where the old features works like a charm, than having the old component with no new features and all the bugs there interfering with basic functionality of the OS. That takes only patience and time from the important parts, the NEW features.
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