Microsoft cuts off Windows 10 support early for some PCs

Tony K · 20 Jul 2017

DavidE said:

Microsoft agrees to extend support deadline for Clover Trail PCs | ZDNet

Thanks for posting that, David. That pretty much answers a lot of questions and lets those with the problem know where they stand. Depending on the MoBo socket, perhaps some will be able to swap out the CPU.

sygnus21 · 20 Jul 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

Thanks for posting that, David. That pretty much answers a lot of questions and lets those with the problem know where they stand. Depending on the MoBo socket, perhaps some will be able to swap out the CPU.

I don't think you can swap an Atom CPU. I believe they're soldered into the board. Yeah, I know "anything can be done" but outside of that, the normal user isn't going to be able to swap out that CPU.

And even if they did, they'd have to find a compatible chip to replace it with... again, something not readily available.

Tony K · 20 Jul 2017

sygnus21 said:

I don't think you can swap an Atom CPU. I believe they're soldered into the board. Yeah, I know "anything can be done" but outside of that, the normal user isn't going to be able to swap out that CPU.

And even if they did, they'd have to find a compatible chip to replace it with... again, something not readily available.

Yes, I tend to think you're correct. We shall see. You're for sure correct that the normal user wouldn't know how, even if they weren't soldered, but rather strapped in. Then economically it isn't worth it with what a PC shop would charge. One would be chasing good money after the bad. Might as well use the money towards a new rig and count the loss.

alphanumeric · 20 Jul 2017

The motherboard architecture and CPU socket are tied to the CPU. Especially so where the Atom is concerned. I do believe its BGA559. Ball Grid Array is surface mount.

orlbuckeye · 20 Jul 2017

Winuser said:

I think MS should stop forcing updates and allow users to only choose security updates on these older systems.

That's what MS is doing. These machines won't be able to download and install feature updates but will get security updates.

sygnus21 · 20 Jul 2017

HippsieGypsie said:

Then economically it isn't worth it with what a PC shop would charge. One would be chasing good money after the bad. Might as well use the money towards a new rig and count the loss.

That's my thought as well.

Tony K · 20 Jul 2017

alphanumeric said:

The motherboard architecture and CPU socket are tied to the CPU. Especially so where the Atom is concerned. I do believe its BGA559. Ball Grid Array is surface mount.

Thanks for that, Kerry. Had to look it up. I see now that the board is designed for the CPU. And the Ball Grid Array is an interesting automated manufacturing process with the solder beads.

sygnus21 said:

That's my thought as well.

Yes, especially with what Kerry just posted. Definitely not feasible without at least a new MB. All-in-ones may be worth it if the screen is worth saving. Those touch screens are mucho denarii.

Josey Wales · 20 Jul 2017

http://winaero.com/blog/windows-10-anniversary-update-support-2023/

As we wrote recently, owners of devices with Intel Clover Trail CPUs are not able to install Windows 10 Creators Update. But the Anniversary Update version of Windows 10 runs on these devices smoothly. Microsoft confirmed this issue exists because of Intel not supporting these CPUs with the requisite drivers. Microsoft has decided to extend the support of Windows 10 version 1607 until 2023 for these devices.

FerchogtX · 20 Jul 2017

Windows 10 Anniversary Update got extended support till 2023 - Winaero

This is the first example of hardware that was initially supported by Windows 10 but is now discontinued. In theory, any device which did not ship originally with Windows 10 by default is at risk.

Well... this calms me... partially, I just hope they don't change their mind. but readng that statement, makes me believe that my current laptop, which came with build 1511, will be supported by a good couple of years? (meaning, it can upgrade to many feature versions...)

Another question comes to my mond, will this support extension be available only for those devices? Will this affect another AU users as well? How will they know or restrict this security extension updates for this devices only?

lehnerus2000 · 20 Jul 2017

wordsworth said:

I don't have a legal background either but wrote the above post based upon life experience and it doesn't make me laugh when people begin talking of lawyering up. There are always lawyers looking to chase stuff and human beings looking for an opportunity to slip on a banana and sue. Put the two together and you get a suit. How a judge and jury will decide in any given case is anyone's guess and that isn't as it should be, as you say you don't understand the McDonald's case decision, nor do I; nonetheless a cousin of mine has a husband that worked as a paralegal on that case and argued with me that the woman had a strong case. I still disagreed with him. Go figure, but this isn't a matter I take lightly because it is one of the many things that makes for arbitrariness in the US legal system, a characteristic it should not have.

sygnus21 said:

Point taken. And glad we agree on the McDonalds case :)

I used to think that was a strange decision too.

However what I read (recently) was that the store did not have the machine set to the manufacturers recommended specifications (i.e. the water temperature was too hot) and therefore that McDonald's store was negligent.