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  1.    17 Jul 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsworth View Post
    " The irony in this case is that Microsoft aggressively pushed the free Windows 10 upgrade offer to the owners of these devices, turning up the pressure dramatically as the July 2016 cutoff date approached. Now, less than a year later, those devices are being cut off without notice."

    Therein can lawyers begin to salivate and owners of these machines get their ire up, understandably. I should think MS and Intel will correct this as a class action could well be successful
    given the above which is why if I owned one these machines I'd rather that they got it corrected than wait for a legal "remedy" where the lawyers get more out of it anyway.
    It always makes me laugh when people start thinking lawyers in these situations. It's a lot more complicated than you think. And Microsoft did actually warn of this early. The fact that some didn't think this would happen is irrelevant here. In short, MS, didn't do anything that wasn't stated.

    NOW... is it right is another story, but legally, I see no standing here. But, I'm not a lawyer, nor do I have any legal training. I'm just going on life experience, and in the end, I'm thinking MS would prevail for the basic reason explained above. But, then again, I'm also one who still don't see how common sense didn't prevail in the hot coffee between the legs case, in which McDonald's lost
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  2.    17 Jul 2017 #12
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I think MS should stop forcing updates and allow users to only choose security updates on these older systems.
    Driver updates should be optional. I just don't get why they did that?
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  3.    17 Jul 2017 #13
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    Is the issue Microsoft's or Intel's? or maybe both? Honestly asking? If it's a driver issue it could be either one? I couldn't really tell from that article.
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  4.    17 Jul 2017 #14
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    Wooooow... I wonder how much until they stop supporting 2016 / 2017 hardware, and try to force you to ditch your perfectly working PC, in order to buy another one... and of course, trying to force you even more, by releasing malware purposely to infect your systems and practicaly denying your right to work with your hardware... remember the release of those NSA things?

    Now I see where this is going, exactly what I thought, working with OEM's so you buy hardware every year, or at least, ever 3 years...

    Amazing, this was a world full of possibilities, now MS is behaving even WORSE than Apple...
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  5.    17 Jul 2017 #15
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    Two 10+ year old desktop PC's running Windows 10 with no issues. AMD CPU's, Athlon II and Phenom II, with as old NVidia Video cards etc in them. YMMV
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  6.    17 Jul 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Driver updates should be optional. I just don't get why they did that?
    There's a way to stop driver updates: Enable or Disable Driver Updates in Windows Update in Windows 10 Windows 10 Windows Update Activation Tutorials

    I think in Creators Update (build 15063) Shawn's Option 1 Step 3 has been changed to unchecking one or both of the choices seen in the screenshot below. The other two options will work.

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Is the issue Microsoft's or Intel's? or maybe both? Honestly asking? If it's a driver issue it could be either one? I couldn't really tell from that article.
    Could it be that they both can't write a driver compatible with the kernel?


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  7.    17 Jul 2017 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Is the issue Microsoft's or Intel's? or maybe both? Honestly asking? If it's a driver issue it could be either one? I couldn't really tell from that article.

    To me the issue stems from Microsoft's side where they've set the parameter of when Windows should refuse to update. Problem is who are they to say when or what hardware is "outdated"?

    And yes, this seems to be putting the ball squarely in the hardware vendors court. That in turn could be put squarely on the consumer's back as they're now forced to make more frequent upgrade purchases.

    We already see this kind of slinky crap from Creative where they tend to release new products rather than driver update their older products, Ironically whenever MS releases a new OS. Instead of getting workable driver updates for the current cards, Creative pushes out a new product leaving the "old" cards crippled or bugged under the new OS.

    Anyway I'm hoping this is an oversight by MS, and not a new norm. Time will tell in how they address this issue.

    My two cents.
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  8.    18 Jul 2017 #18
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    To me the issue stems from Microsoft's side where they've set the parameter of when Windows should refuse to update. Problem is who are they to say when or what hardware is "outdated"?

    And yes, this seems to be putting the ball squarely in the hardware vendors court. That in turn could be put squarely on the consumer's back as they're now forced to make more frequent upgrade purchases.

    We already see this kind of slinky crap from Creative where they tend to release new products rather than driver update their older products, Ironically whenever MS releases a new OS. Instead of getting workable driver updates for the current cards, Creative pushes out a new product leaving the "old" cards crippled or bugged under the new OS.

    Anyway I'm hoping this is an oversight by MS, and not a new norm. Time will tell in how they address this issue.

    My two cents.
    So you'd rather have Windows install, and then immediately BSOD on the first reboot? Because that's what's likely to happen with a bad of missing chip-set driver. In most cases it's easy enough to just disable other non supported hardware but in this case we're talking about the CPU. I'm not saying its right or wrong, what they are doing, just think about why they may have to do it. There may be other issues such as performance, reliability, etc tied to this particular issue.
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  9.    18 Jul 2017 #19
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    Plain and simple!

    HERE is the reason why the hardware is not supported in the future.
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  10.    18 Jul 2017 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    Problem is who are they to say when or what hardware is "outdated"?
    Microsoft apparently. Windows is supported "for the lifetime of the device" and the lifetime of the device appears to be as long as it runs the currently supported release of Windows 10. A nice circular definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Two 10+ year old desktop PC's running Windows 10 with no issues. AMD CPU's, Athlon II and Phenom II, with as old NVidia Video cards etc in them. YMMV
    But the fall update could be incompatible and then after 18 months you can't upgrade and Windows gets no more security updates. It isn't that it won't work on old (or any) hardware - it is the uncertainty that is the problem.

    That is the issue with the "as a service" model. You never know how long it will keep working - you just have the 18 months after the last release. Earlier versions support was for a decade. As is LTSB of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by FerchogtX View Post
    Now I see where this is going, exactly what I thought, working with OEM's so you buy hardware every year, or at least, ever 3 years...

    Amazing, this was a world full of possibilities, now MS is behaving even WORSE than Apple...
    Looks like it is going that way alas. It isn't yet as bad as Apple - my 2006 MacBook Pro runs Windows 10 perfectly. The last version of OSX it would install was 2009's Snow Leopard which stopped getting security updates 5 years ago or so.
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