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  1.    14 Jul 2017 #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    Well isn't that presish..
    So let me get this right, they will discontinue something like Windows Media Center, that still has about 60 million users and support something like this that has how many users? Just how many people actually use this Ubuntu tool I wonder?
    First and foremost, it's a tool used by sysadmins, but more importantly, DEVELOPERS. If you work in corporate America, and you look around, you will find a ton of developers, architects, cloud engineers and the like all developing their software, even for Windows, on a Mac. Why??? Partly because it's Unix like underneath, and the toolset fits their development needs perfectly. I work for a very large organization that is always in the top list of tech companies to work for, and the vast majority of development here works on a MacBook Pro.

    Before we had Bash for Windows, we used Cygwin tools on Windows (Cygwin). This allowed a unix like environment on Windows hosts.

    Microsoft finally saw this as an area where they could increase the appeal of their OS out of the box and I for one am extremely happy to see these tools added. But then again, I'm a Windows and Linux systems engineer.

    These tools aren't intended as much for the home hobbyist or gamer. But it's extremely important to the ecosystem that they have been added to Windows.
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  2.    14 Jul 2017 #12
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    I've seen people setup desktop environments in the Linux subsystem. For example:

    ​How to run the native Ubuntu desktop on Windows 10 | ZDNet
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  3.    14 Jul 2017 #13
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    windows 10 (x64) Home 1709

    I think this thread should be in insider instead of general.
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  4.    14 Jul 2017 #14
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    Chicagoland
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & Insider 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    Like any company, if a product is a looser they will drop it. I'm thinking most people only used WMP for playing movie disks rather than streaming services. Yes, it was nice to use as a home center, but MS was attempting to break into a highly competitive entertainment market, which I would guess failed with WMP.

    That app doesn't support VOB formats, typical DVDs. It also doesn't support LiveTV. Media Center is the only software that suppoorts DRM channels.

    I think WMC biggest problem was that it was years ahead of it's time (like 10 or more). People didn't understand it. You needed TV tuners and there were none available for cablecards until just a few years back.
    I don't have any movie DVDs to test the Movie & TV app, so I'll have to leave it to you for that fact. I see they offer a DVD player via the Store: Your request appears to be from an automated process

    Don't know about LiveTV, cable sticks, or tuners used with the app, but the TV aspect of the app is that series seasons can be purchased. Kind of personalizes it at least.

    So far as DRM channels it can be done meeting some requirements. With some research I found this: Protected channel requirements - Silicondust

    And you're right about people not understanding WMP. Probably another reason why MS is dropping it.
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  5.    15 Jul 2017 #15

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I don't have any movie DVDs to test the Movie & TV app, so I'll have to leave it to you for that fact. I see they offer a DVD player via the Store: Your request appears to be from an automated process

    Don't know about LiveTV, cable sticks, or tuners used with the app, but the TV aspect of the app is that series seasons can be purchased. Kind of personalizes it at least.

    So far as DRM channels it can be done meeting some requirements. With some research I found this: Protected channel requirements - Silicondust

    And you're right about people not understanding WMP. Probably another reason why MS is dropping it.
    Microsoft DVD Player app is joke, next to worthless, and $15 to boot, as opposed to VLC which is free.

    My point about WMC - Microsoft played a huge role in developing the DRM requirements with CableLabs, it is why many didn't try to do it because Microsoft really had the monopoly on the software, no one wanted to compete, didn't feel they had a chance against the giant.

    As far as SiliconDust, they have been working on the DRM part for over 3 years, believe me I was one of the first to jump on board. They are a hardware company, tuner cards. They only started to work on software to support their cards with the demise of Media Center. It has only been achieved since the release of Creator, even then, it is sketchy at best. Their software in no way even comes close to the sophistication of WMC (nursery school vs hi-school). Media Center still reigns supreme for DRM (the only true one). Even XBMC lags behind Media Center and will never support DRM.

    the orginal WMC was like the Roku of the day, surfed the web for content, in addition to everything else (but MS failed to explain or promote it's use), hence why people didn't understand it. People had Media Player and were confused as to the double players.

    But getting off topic. Ubuntu, glad I guess that it is available for all those developers who use it, guess they will now make it easier to replace Windows 10 with Linux.
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  6.    15 Jul 2017 #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    But getting off topic. Ubuntu, glad I guess that it is available for all those developers who use it, guess they will now make it easier to replace Windows 10 with Linux.
    This isn't an attempt to get people on Windows 10 to move to Linux. Trust me, the developers who are developing applications are most likely using Linux servers, linux cloud boxes, lambda functions or containers already.
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  7.    18 Jul 2017 #17
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    Some tasks are better/easier done in Linux than Powershell, thus the Linux Sub System is a great tool.

    Yes, I am currently running native Linux GUI applications on my Windows 10 machine. I have however not tried to install the full Ubuntu desktop environment as I see it as useless for my needs. I only need a few native Linux GUI app and the rest of Linux tools are run from the shell.

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