Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16232 PC + 15228 Mobile Insider

Installation is just a beginning. ISO is installation offline. Update/upgrade is installation online.
The Insider's "job" starts after the installation... :)

HippsieGypsie said:

If the UUP method fails, then I find "chicken" by ISO install rather silly also. What good is it to MS if the last build is sitting on a device? I don't think they would continue to study that telemetry, would they? Doubt that, but please see me to the end point here.

Although I'm grateful that Kari and others worked hard to create the UUP to ISO method, I highly suggest MS offer the ISO to those Insiders where UUP failed. Make them prove failure if need be with an install log recording failure. I would think MS would read those logs for the source of failure anyway, unless they already do. Would anyone know?

Not feasible, Hippsie. I'm pretty sure that Microsoft is well aware of every installation failure, since we've granted them permission to know what we're doing with our systems. Thus, there would be no need to prove anything. However, I believe there is a point beyond which Microsoft will not go. And providing an ISO to some, but not all, regardless of the reasoning behind it, in my not so humble opinion, would create such a ground swell of protest . . . need I say more?

Opinions are just like belly buttons; everyone has one. And now it's time for me to exercise mine . . .

I'm going to address mine as if I'm talking about you, Kari; not to you.

Kari said:

In my opinion anyone saying it's against some unwritten Insider rules to do ISO, upgrade from ISO or clean install is simply wrong. I find it extremely offensive when I see posts about "that's not what being Insider is", as these members had the power and superior knowledge to tell me what I am allowed to test, what Microsoft wants me to test.

I've been using hints, tips, tutorials, etc., etc., that Kari has written for years now. Can it have actually been years!? Yup.

One of the first tutorials I used was "ESD to ISO". And yep, we had all those folks telling us even back then that Microsoft didn't want us making ISOs; that we needed to do the update. If it didn't work, try waiting for the next one.

Kari has contributed greatly to my Windows 10 User Experience.

If we aren't supposed to create our own ISOs, why isn't there a clause prohibiting such in the agreement we signed.

Please take note . . . Kari has a new badge! He is now a Windows Insider MVP. Wear your new badge proudly, Kari!

Since Kari has become a Microsoft MVP, I find it hard to believe that MS could give such an award but be totally unaware that Kari has created tutorials (almost from the get-go) on creating ISOs of Insider Builds so that we could clean install Windows 10 Insider Builds.

Kari said:

How on earth can anyone think that Microsoft is only, solely interested in our experience in upgrade process? As if they were not at all interested in how clean install works, how upgrading from ISO works, how image customization and deployment works (BTW, that requires clean install on technician machine). That all Microsoft wants to know is how upgrade works and if new features are OK.

Looking at it from the perspective of one who "knows just enough to be really dangerous"; whose system may get hosed by "drive by" malware, "PUPs", a bad Windows Update, or any number of reasons, does Microsoft tell us to just sit still and do nothing? I think not! Kari has shown us more ways to install Windows than I can shake a stick at!

Read the above quote from Kari again! Ya wanna know what I think? Well, even if ya don't wanna know what I think, I'm going to tell you anyway! Kari won (Yes, I said he won) his Windows Insider MVP partially because of his work within TenForums for you and me. So we could have as great an experience with Windows 10 as possible.

Kari said:

Every new announcement thread, some "I'm wiser than you" tells me how wrong it is that I clean install to be able to test customization and deployment scenarios.

While Kari tests on more of a "developer", and I test more on an "end user" level, he has helped me tremendously in more areas than I care to number. If for some reason I need to do a clean install, Kari has provided a way for me to do that. And if the truth be known, a very large percentage of TenForums membership have used at least one and possibly several of Kari's tutorials.

I think the bottom line here is that if Microsoft wanted us to test through Windows Update only, they would have specifically forbidden any other type of installation in the agreement we signed when we joined the Insider Program.