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  1.    02 Jul 2017 #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    IMHO, MS doesn't release the ISO at the same time as the new builds is so they can test the new way of updating/upgrading the OS. They're not really inflicting anything on us. We volunteered to be testers.
    Thank you, @Winuser. I think too often insiders/forum members forget we do this because we're computer lovers and we volunteer to be a part of this evolution.
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  2.    02 Jul 2017 #282
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    Quote Originally Posted by martyfelker View Post
    Perhaps I should have done that an if a Brink PM's me about I'll apologize. Who I did ask permission from was the member who kindly sent me a link to his copy of the ISO. He gave permission to post gladly.

    I don't want to tread on anybody's toes here. Basically I feel Microsoft itself should be doing this and posting each release ISO on the official Insiders web page. As it is today - and I didn't check because I;m busy - I believe the latest "official" ISO is build 16193. I'll go even further. If Microsoft doesn't post each ISO they release (but then supposedly they see fit to "inflict" it on us, then Wzor's site should be considered semi-official IMHO. Many people won't touch "warez" sites but Wzor been doing a great public service for many years now. His is the only site you can find Combo ISO with all (or I guess most) of the Windows 10 flavors. Enough said at 2:30 AM and with a fresh re-install of 16232 because it would not reboot after an excursion in Sid
    How are Microsoft going to test the download, the distribution, and the installation (and get it working consistently) of Windows as a Service, if those who have had one difficult experience of any of the above, know they can take the chicken's way out and download an ISO guaranteed to work?
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  3.    02 Jul 2017 #283
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    How are Microsoft going to test the download, the distribution, and the installation (and get it working consistently) of Windows as a Service, if those who have had one difficult experience of any of the above, know they can take the chicken's way out and download an ISO guaranteed to work?
    My two cents... I'm not much for brand marketing...doesn't really say much of anything, imo. Calling it a "service" doesn't change it's fundamental nature even one iota--it's software and we still must download it, right? Whatever meaning it has for Microsoft, UUP does not seem to have decreased the total size of the downloads nor the speed of the complete downloads, and the only practical result I can see for breaking their downloads into smaller chunks is to *possibly* better facilitate areas of the world which still have very crude and slow Internet service today. But even that much is eminently debatable. Trying to break up an historically monolithic OS into discrete modules doesn't seem to be working overall--at least if their idea is to upgrade by simply replacing a module or two as needed. Whether it's UUP or .esd, so far we still have to download and install the whole shebang. As far as the whole "module" thing goes, what's the real difference between a "patch" and a "module"? Semantics, again?

    The other problem is that whether it's UUP or .esd it's all the same to the customer--it makes not a whit of difference to him. And further, spending months of time working on a UUP delivery system which is hardly an improvement over .esd is time *not spent* on new feature development and bug fixing. Time wasted, imo. But, I don't call the shots, of course.

    Best of all worlds, then, since Microsoft has elected to go to a UUP system, is to supply an .iso for each build *and* UUP delivery, which would not be hard for them to do. Let their testers decide which they prefer--while Microsoft concentrates on feature development and bug fixing. I do not do clean installs--the last one I did was well over a year back. I can test the upgrade capability of the software equally as well when upgrading from an .iso as I can upgrading through Windows Update UUP. End result is the same, and the amount of time it takes is the same.
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  4.    02 Jul 2017 #284
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    The whole Idea of MS allowing us to be Insiders is so that Windows 10 can be tested under as many variables as possible. UUP is one of the things MS wants us to test. Hopefully through trial and error UUP will become what MS wants it to be. MS has warned us not to use Insider builds as our main OS. They even gave us a choice of what Insider ring we want to be in. At times I get frustrated at some of the builds but I'm not going to give up being a Insider.
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  5.    02 Jul 2017 #285
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    The whole Idea of MS allowing us to be Insiders is so that Windows 10 can be tested under as many variables as possible. UUP is one of the things MS wants us to test. Hopefully through trial and error UUP will become what MS wants it to be. MS has warned us not to use Insider builds as our main OS. They even gave us a choice of what Insider ring we want to be in. At times I get frustrated at some of the builds but I'm not going to give up being a Insider.
    May sound silly, but I enjoy finding what broke and trying to fix it myself, not always real successful, but sometimes. I keep several VMs and a couple of physicals to try different things. When I get too frustrated, I go watch train wrecks on YouTube.......
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  6.    02 Jul 2017 #286
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    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    May sound silly, but I enjoy finding what broke and trying to fix it myself, not always real successful, but sometimes. I keep several VMs and a couple of physicals to try different things. When I get too frustrated, I go watch train wrecks on YouTube.......
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  7.    02 Jul 2017 #287
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    Windows 10 and windows insider

    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    May sound silly, but I enjoy finding what broke and trying to fix it myself, not always real successful, but sometimes. I keep several VMs and a couple of physicals to try different things. When I get too frustrated, I go watch train wrecks on YouTube.......
    But in the 'find and attempt to fix' process you also provide feedback that makes the whole work better, and that's what being an insider is about.
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  8.    02 Jul 2017 #288
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    10 preview 64bit

    You can only test a system if its on your comp.

    So taking the chicken way out is actually more benficial to MS, because you have longer to test it, especially when there being rolled out quickly
    And in reality.your still testing the download function.

    Myself i only have it on a bulk standard laptop and my minimum - download to use time is 2hrs 15min.

    The last 2 builds have been the only ones that i've HAD to resort to UUP-ISO method, and even 1 of those failed.
    (according to the error code download failed, although my internet/disc usage were both thru the roof)

    Roy
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  9.    02 Jul 2017 #289
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    USA
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    Latest Insider Build

    My 2 cents..

    We are testing the download process + upgrade process + the build itself. We all knew going into this Insider thing it was going to be full of bugs, glitches, and other yucky things.

    So far I've had 32 bugs, 17.5 glitches, and 9 yucky things in my 3 Insider installs - Pro-Edu-Ent

    Each of us will have our own experiences based on our hardware and computer skills. We are putting our time, our computers, and our lives* on the line so Outsiders can live in peace with their computers.

    *I threw "lives" in for the dramatic effect.
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  10.    02 Jul 2017 #290
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    win 10 Insider

    I thought I would try the Folder Protection in this build. Yes, it worked, as my Macrium backup was stopped!

    Added the program as an allowed one and all good.
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