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  1. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
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       27 Jul 2015 #21

    BillyBob said: View Post
    It's funny how you bring Apple into the argument, a company that had 3% or less share of the market for years, and everyone said that was great, 3% for MS is crap.
    I don't particularly care, I don't buy because of market share, I buy what I want not because a whole lot of sheep are buying Crapple.
    Please do not get me wrong I am A Windows PC user. I collect operating systems and have a Virtual machine of Windows back to 3.11. There is no Crapple in this house nor will there ever be. I am jut telling it like it seems.
    My Wife had an Andriod phone. Mother in law and father in law do too. I use computers.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2013
    North West Indianapolis, Indiana
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       27 Jul 2015 #22

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    @ Indianatone

    I'm assuming you're directing this at me since it immediately follows my post. Perhaps not, but all the same.



    Does that mean no one is being serious with their posts? I certainly was as now. I'm sure others as well.

    I'm referring to only smart phones here. A lot of people have basic phones such as yourself. My wife has one also. She's not interested in tech and just wants to make calls and text message.

    Androids have the largest market share with far more than Apple's iOS and always have as seen below. Why is that? Androids are far less expensive and pushed more by carriers simply because they are more affordable. IOW, quantity over quality. That really had nothing to do with quality of the OS, but rather hardware. Along with this Google offered the OS and services for free. The average joe wouldn't know the difference of one over the other as long as they can show it off to their friends. > "Oh! Look! I can search the Inet using Google search on my cheap Android phone I was able to afford!" And Google made more of a $killing$ with advertisement, OEMs with their handsets, and carriers with handset markup and talk/data contracted plans.

    Cheap, affordable hardware with two-year contracts (in the U.S.) + Free OS + Free services + Advertisement = Mucho dinero for Google, OEMs, and carriers. What a racket!

    The playing field has been leveled more so now that MS offers OEMs their Windows OS for free. Of course services all along also. More services as a matter of fact. OneDrive with some free GBs, Bing points with using Bing, Cortana, free Office (phone version), OneNote, Office online, Some free apps, and settings backup.

    Below is just but one reference. One can search and find many more for comparison. They're basically the same results.

    Source: IDC: Smartphone OS Market Share 2015, 2014, 2013, and 2012

    Attachment 25960



    Must be smarter one, eh? That's not to say you or anyone else are not smart. It's just that he's taking advantage of a good thing IMO.



    This is no longer a valid point in reasoning to decide which one to purchase over the other. Admittedly MS got into the game late, but there are plenty of apps presently. More being added to their store weekly. And it's not so much about apps today anyway as it is services and now familiararity. Perhaps you didn't get the gist of my previous post. I would suggest you buy or borrow an Android, an iPhone, and a Windows phone all with their accounts and hard reset them all to see which one is easiest and less time consuming to do so. If an OS updates which will be easier? We that are interested and know tech can do so (taking more time), but what about the vast majority of commoners that don't? MS has simplified this to a great extent for them. Personally I've not the time anymore at my age either.

    If 90% of people have Windows PCs and a large amount of them have MS accounts which OS will be more familiar to learn and use on a phone? This is the plan that MS has devised. I think it to be a good one. Give it 5 years and we'll see Windows phone market share is then. I dare say it'll be somewhere around 40% and will continue to rise.

    Another big factor that has changed recently in the U.S. is the legislation passed to be able to purchase unlocked phones that are contract free. I was so happy to see this scam pass away. Carriers are now scrambling to push their "branded" phones as if it's a honor to use them. Geesh! We'll notice a lot more handsets capable of using different cellular systems. Lumia/Nokia handsets being one of them.



    I choose not to live in such fear.
    No it was not aimed at you but @ Billy Bob. He for some reason seems to think I am an apple fan boy. I have been building PC's since the mid 90's so no I am a PC guy. I also have a ridiculous number of computers for my personal use and usually have 3 or 4 on at a time split between 3 monitors.
    You took the comment to heart...... and it was sarcasm the machines rising up.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    Wolves, England
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       27 Jul 2015 #23

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Indianatone said:
    So much so no banks TV Station Weather apps etc are just Crapple and Android.
    This is no longer a valid point in reasoning to decide which one to purchase over the other.
    It's a massive valid point and, in my case at least, is a massive deal breaker. I use my mobile banking app every single day and as it's not available for Windows phones I won't buy one. If you think that's not a deciding factor in which phone to choose that's up to you, I know it is.
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  4. Joined : Jun 2014
    San Diego, CA
    Posts : 1,246
    Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview x64
       27 Jul 2015 #24

    RamboMcMutNutts said: View Post
    Can you get Red Dead on Xbox one? Or will it be when they finally implement backwards compatibility?
    Yeah, I meant when they add it to the backwards compatibility list. Believe me, I wish there was an HD remake of RDR available. I'd buy it in a heartbeat...and then whatever console I needed to play it on. Hahaha
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  5. Joined : Nov 2013
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       27 Jul 2015 #25

    Boozad said: View Post
    It's a massive valid point and, in my case at least, is a massive deal breaker. I use my mobile banking app every single day and as it's not available for Windows phones I won't buy one. If you think that's not a deciding factor in which phone to choose that's up to you, I know it is.
    Well, I'm happy for you that you enjoy your bank app along with your handset. My small-town independent bank doesn't have a Windows phone app neither, but they do have a mobile site that works quite well via IE. Of course, I wouldn't know if the app would be better or not, but I'm quite sure I'm performing everything I could do with an app also as I do on my PC. Just don't see the big deal about "bank apps". Other apps perhaps, but not with banking.

    BTW, does your bank have an app for your PC? If not, I'm sure they'll whip one up soon, yes?

    Personally I make decisions about purchasing products with listing the overall aspects of the product, not just one feature I don't like or lack of one. e.g. I just researched a graphics card to purchase. I had a few forum friends helping that are more knowledgeable with hardware. I opened an Excel file I had going about facts of my machine and took more notes. Type, manufacturer, price, and features pro and con all went into columns to compare. 6 cards that matched my criteria boiled down to one that matched it the closest. In the end there were a few things I didn't care for, but overall it was the closest. I went ahead and made the purchase.

    Same with my Windows phone. There are some features and some lack of features that I didn't and continue not to like, but overall it meets my expectations and in a lot of ways exceeds some expectations, especially the services and sync via my MS account and the extra features I mentioned in an earlier post, most being free. Just don't see anything that can match that aspect of it. Like I stated earlier, It's just not all about apps or lack of them. If you think so, that's your personal choice.

    Having worked in the construction as a career, I've had handsets since the bags, so I've been around the block a few times. A Droid X2 prior to this one. Of course phones had advanced in the few years I had it then obtaining my Lumia, but from what I've seen the Androids haven't changed much. Never had an iPhone, but from what I've seen they're overpriced for what one gets. Not only the handsets, but the accessories as well.

    Speaking of iPhones; What came to mind while writing this. According to the chart I posted, presently Android has 78% of the market share. iOS at 18.3%. That's a 60% spread. That means 60% more customers use Android over iPhone. Why would companies spend the expense on iPhone apps when there's such a smaller amount of customers? Perhaps people that can afford an iPhone are of higher income and spend more on products and/or have more money in their bank accounts and/or investment services that banks offer. Perhaps it's the hype and prestige that Steve Jobs was so good at promoting. Perhaps MS missed the mark by getting into the mobile market late, therefore lack of apps as you see it, but I think their plan and investment in devices and services will pay off in the end. The devices and services will speak for themselves.
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  6. Joined : Oct 2013
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       27 Jul 2015 #26

    Yes I can do online banking on my PC, but during the week I'm hardly at it so the mobile version has been a godsend. With Windows phone I wouldn't be able to use it daily like I do now so I'll stick with iPhone. I never said I enjoyed my handset or using my banking app, I need to use my banking app hence me not getting a Windows phone. It's not that hard to understand.

    If if I could get my banking app on Windows phone I'd get one, it's that simple.
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  7. Joined : Apr 2015
    California
    Posts : 362
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       28 Jul 2015 #27

    I'm trying to think of the name of that other world tank game that Microsoft distributed free with Windows 98, or Windows Me etc.
    Does anyone remember the game or its name?

    I found the name of the game I was thinking of. It was distributed with Windows 95, called Microsoft Hover! It wasn't a tank game, but was similar to one.
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  8.    28 Jul 2015 #28

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Well, I'm happy for you that you enjoy your bank app along with your handset. My small-town independent bank doesn't have a Windows phone app neither, but they do have a mobile site that works quite well via IE. Of course, I wouldn't know if the app would be better or not, but I'm quite sure I'm performing everything I could do with an app also as I do on my PC. Just don't see the big deal about "bank apps". Other apps perhaps, but not with banking.

    BTW, does your bank have an app for your PC? If not, I'm sure they'll whip one up soon, yes?

    Personally I make decisions about purchasing products with listing the overall aspects of the product, not just one feature I don't like or lack of one. e.g. I just researched a graphics card to purchase. I had a few forum friends helping that are more knowledgeable with hardware. I opened an Excel file I had going about facts of my machine and took more notes. Type, manufacturer, price, and features pro and con all went into columns to compare. 6 cards that matched my criteria boiled down to one that matched it the closest. In the end there were a few things I didn't care for, but overall it was the closest. I went ahead and made the purchase.

    Same with my Windows phone. There are some features and some lack of features that I didn't and continue not to like, but overall it meets my expectations and in a lot of ways exceeds some expectations, especially the services and sync via my MS account and the extra features I mentioned in an earlier post, most being free. Just don't see anything that can match that aspect of it. Like I stated earlier, It's just not all about apps or lack of them. If you think so, that's your personal choice.

    Having worked in the construction as a career, I've had handsets since the bags, so I've been around the block a few times. A Droid X2 prior to this one. Of course phones had advanced in the few years I had it then obtaining my Lumia, but from what I've seen the Androids haven't changed much. Never had an iPhone, but from what I've seen they're overpriced for what one gets. Not only the handsets, but the accessories as well.

    Speaking of iPhones; What came to mind while writing this. According to the chart I posted, presently Android has 78% of the market share. iOS at 18.3%. That's a 60% spread. That means 60% more customers use Android over iPhone. Why would companies spend the expense on iPhone apps when there's such a smaller amount of customers? Perhaps people that can afford an iPhone are of higher income and spend more on products and/or have more money in their bank accounts and/or investment services that banks offer. Perhaps it's the hype and prestige that Steve Jobs was so good at promoting. Perhaps MS missed the mark by getting into the mobile market late, therefore lack of apps as you see it, but I think their plan and investment in devices and services will pay off in the end. The devices and services will speak for themselves.
    Apps are at the heart of this whole new Windows movement.
    What is the whole purpose of Metro or tiled menus? <sheesh>

    Of course they are relevant, and of course that is why Windows is not relevant in a mobile market, it is because they have no viable apps in today's world.

    The old quote comes to mind "...it isn't rocket science, folks.."
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
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       28 Jul 2015 #29

    Boozad said: View Post
    Yes I can do online banking on my PC, but during the week I'm hardly at it so the mobile version has been a godsend. With Windows phone I wouldn't be able to use it daily like I do now so I'll stick with iPhone. I never said I enjoyed my handset or using my banking app, I need to use my banking app hence me not getting a Windows phone. It's not that hard to understand.

    If if I could get my banking app on Windows phone I'd get one, it's that simple.
    I'm pretty sure most banks have got mobile sites, couldn't you do your banking on that, I just went to my bank on my Windows phone and they've got a perfectly good mobile site, I'm sure I could use that, but I do all my banking on my PC and tablets.
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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
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       28 Jul 2015 #30

    Trust_No1 said: View Post
    Apps are at the heart of this whole new Windows movement.
    What is the whole purpose of Metro or tiled menus? <sheesh>

    Of course they are relevant, and of course that is why Windows is not relevant in a mobile market, it is because they have no viable apps in today's world.

    The old quote comes to mind "...it isn't rocket science, folks.."
    It's not just about the apps, if that was the case Android wouldn't have gotten anywhere either. As far as the iPhone goes, it's mainly a sheep mentality that makes it popular, how do I know, I spend a lot of time studying sheep, I mean Apple users. America is Microsofts problem, because of all the Apple lovers, most other countries have reasonable Windows phone numbers.

    All my phones have been Android until just recently and have bought a couple of cheap Windows phones to test Windows 10, I think MS is on the right track, hopefully. They don't need a million apps just a few more popular ones and they're there, as long as they bring out decent phones. Apple isn't that far in front.
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