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  1.    24 Jun 2017 #11
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    Windows 10 Professional

    K, I'm done; I won't de-rail this thread anymore.
    (I don't think Windows 10S warrants a thread of it's own!)
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  2.    24 Jun 2017 #12
    Join Date : Aug 2014
    Balayan, Batangas
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    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit

    The "S" in 10S means s***. Windows 7 Starter is even more useful than that thing.
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  3.    24 Jun 2017 #13
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Newport, South Wales, UK
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    Windows 10 Pro x64 FCU - XP/Vista/Win7/Win8.1 in VM for testing

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    I didn't know Google ever admitted doing it in the first place.
    Steve It's probably just a political statement - They're saying they are going to stop doing something that they never said they did, which everyone else knew they were doing anyway, Maybe
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  4.    24 Jun 2017 #14
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    Australia, Adelaide
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrate View Post
    Do you mean Windows 10 in general and it's immense amount of telemetry, user data gathering and difficult to remove spying components?

    Then I agree!
    If Google do stop scanning user content for Ad Keywords, they'll then be able to run a huge marketing campaign.

    They"ll claim that Chromebooks are better than W10S, because they don't steal your IP.

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    I didn't know Google ever admitted doing it in the first place.
    Ghacks
    https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/23/go...advertisement/

    Apparently the Terms & Conditions have been reworded.
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  5.    24 Jun 2017 #15
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    NW Florida
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint

    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    If Google do stop scanning user content for Ad Keywords, they'll then be able to run a huge marketing campaign.

    They"ll claim that Chromebooks are better than W10S, because they don't steal your IP.


    Ghacks
    https://www.ghacks.net/2017/06/23/go...advertisement/

    Apparently the Terms & Conditions have been reworded.
    You did notice "For Advertising Services". It didn't say it would quit scanning the emails.
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  6.    24 Jun 2017 #16
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    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint

    Anyone who believes Google is stopping this out of any sense of honor or right and wrong is deluding themselves. They are doing this to attract more enterprise customers to Google's cloud services. They are competing with Microsoft and Amazon for those services. As usual, Google isn't doing anything for the customer, they are doing it because it will make Google more money.

    Both Google and Apple have been doing much worse than anything Microsoft is doing. Where is all the outrage about them? Why is no one screaming about what Google and Apple have been doing for years? At least Microsoft told you what they were doing. Google never did. All of this stuff is just crap. Microsoft has been collecting telemetry since XP days. Windows 10 does more of it because of the services included in the OS. If you would like Cortana to remind you the next time you email your wife to remind her of something. Cortana has to have access to your email so it will know when you are emailing your wife. If you don't want that, turn it off. Did you ever use Windows Essentials? You obviously didn't read their TOS. It had the same things in it. If you don't want them using your advertising ID, turn it off. Google and Apple never gave you that option. I have never seen advertising in Windows, other than Skype. Only then because I have never tried to find out how to stop it because it doesn't bother me.

    Do you have a bank account? Your personal info is on the internet already.
    Do you have health insurance, it's there too.
    Do you have Life insurance? It's there.
    Do you have a credit card? It's there.
    How about car insurance? Yep, it's there too.
    How about a cell phone, yep it's there too.
    Ever borrowed money for a car or home loan, it's on the internet too.
    We won't even discuss IRS or Social Security, or whatever Government Agencies you have in whatever country you're from.
    Google knows every search term you have ever done.

    The bottom line is everything about all of us is already on the internet. Anyone who uses a cell phone, messaging service or email and thinks their communications are private is really fooling themselves. I don't like it any more than anyone else does, but that's the way the world is today.
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  7.    25 Jun 2017 #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    You did notice "For Advertising Services". It didn't say it would quit scanning the emails.
    I did notice that.
    However, I grudgingly accept that online email providers (e.g. Google, MS) have to scan emails for malware and spam.

    We "have to accept" the word of the Corporations, because Governments allow them to operate in secret.

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Anyone who believes Google is stopping this out of any sense of honor or right and wrong is deluding themselves. They are doing this to attract more enterprise customers to Google's cloud services. They are competing with Microsoft and Amazon for those services. As usual, Google isn't doing anything for the customer, they are doing it because it will make Google more money.
    I did suggest that in my earlier posts.

    These days which companies do stuff that only benefits their customers?

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Both Google and Apple have been doing much worse than anything Microsoft is doing. Where is all the outrage about them? Why is no one screaming about what Google and Apple have been doing for years?
    I only use Apple stuff when TAFE forces me to, as part of my training courses (I was also forced to create a Gmail account).

    I've bitched about Google for ~17 years.
    I've tried to block their web scripts for ~10 years.

    Unfortunately, I'm still forced to use their services as they seem to have the best image search.

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Do you have a bank account? Your personal info is on the internet already.
    Do you have health insurance, it's there too.
    Do you have Life insurance? It's there.
    Do you have a credit card? It's there.
    How about car insurance? Yep, it's there too.
    How about a cell phone, yep it's there too.
    Ever borrowed money for a car or home loan, it's on the internet too.
    We won't even discuss IRS or Social Security, or whatever Government Agencies you have in whatever country you're from.
    Google knows every search term you have ever done.

    The bottom line is everything about all of us is already on the internet. Anyone who uses a cell phone, messaging service or email and thinks their communications are private is really fooling themselves. I don't like it any more than anyone else does, but that's the way the world is today.
    IMO, those issues aren't caused by Apple, Google or MS, they're caused by Governments putting Corporate profits, before the protection of their citizens.

    None of those things should be Internet accessible (including military and espionage databases).
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  8.    26 Jun 2017 #18
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    Windows 7 (SP1)

    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    Anyone who believes Google is stopping this out of any sense of honor or right and wrong is deluding themselves. They are doing this to attract more enterprise customers to Google's cloud services. They are competing with Microsoft and Amazon for those services. As usual, Google isn't doing anything for the customer, they are doing it because it will make Google more money.

    Both Google and Apple have been doing much worse than anything Microsoft is doing. Where is all the outrage about them? Why is no one screaming about what Google and Apple have been doing for years? At least Microsoft told you what they were doing. Google never did. All of this stuff is just crap. Microsoft has been collecting telemetry since XP days. Windows 10 does more of it because of the services included in the OS. If you would like Cortana to remind you the next time you email your wife to remind her of something. Cortana has to have access to your email so it will know when you are emailing your wife. If you don't want that, turn it off. Did you ever use Windows Essentials? You obviously didn't read their TOS. It had the same things in it. If you don't want them using your advertising ID, turn it off. Google and Apple never gave you that option. I have never seen advertising in Windows, other than Skype. Only then because I have never tried to find out how to stop it because it doesn't bother me.

    Do you have a bank account? Your personal info is on the internet already.
    Do you have health insurance, it's there too.
    Do you have Life insurance? It's there.
    Do you have a credit card? It's there.
    How about car insurance? Yep, it's there too.
    How about a cell phone, yep it's there too.
    Ever borrowed money for a car or home loan, it's on the internet too.
    We won't even discuss IRS or Social Security, or whatever Government Agencies you have in whatever country you're from.
    Google knows every search term you have ever done.

    The bottom line is everything about all of us is already on the internet. Anyone who uses a cell phone, messaging service or email and thinks their communications are private is really fooling themselves. I don't like it any more than anyone else does, but that's the way the world is today.
    All that is true but Microsoft are now doing it at the very heart of your computer, many even have key-loggers at the very heart of their systems.

    Windows 10 is recording EVERYTHING you type, but here's how you can stop it

    Windows 10 - how to TURN OFF Microsoft's creepy keylogger

    France issues formal notice to Microsoft about Windows 10: “stop collecting excessive data and tracking browsing by users without their consent.

    And by key-logger we mean in the truest sense.. every keystroke, whether it be your banking details, letters to lovers, private messages in other wise encrypted communications. There is absolutely no need to collect that amount of information, for any other reason than to collect information.

    Sure you can turn it off, or so Microsoft say, but given the mess over the GWX windows update, and other recent Microsoft revelations, why should we trust them any more than other companies doping the same thing. They are even locking windows down bit by bit so to make changes like simply searching only your own computer for a file or turn store off you have to use a hack to make it happen.

    It's easy enough for instance to change from office to another word processing suite, but not so easy to change O.S., and just because 'other companies do it' or 'they have collected data since XP' simple does not make it in some way right.

    People have every right to point out Microsoft's invasive techniques, just as you have every right to criticise that right.
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  9.    29 Jun 2017 #19
    Join Date : Jun 2017
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    Windows 10.0.15063 (Version 1703) Pro 64-bit

    I have numerous measures enacted on my Windows 10 machine that locks out Microsoft telemetry and all of their data gathering techniques.
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  10.    29 Jun 2017 #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydrate View Post
    I have numerous measures enacted on my Windows 10 machine that locks out Microsoft telemetry and all of their data gathering techniques.
    This comment makes me rather sad.

    If you have a gmail account then your email is held on googles servers not your PC. They have said they won't scan it for targeted advertising (although for what else they will scan it for who knows and they didn't say).

    If you have a gmail account (or facebook or twitter or credit card or library card or ever used the internet at all) and run some dodgy script limiting Microsoft telemetry you think you are free from all of it? How is O&O Shutup going to stop Amazon sharing your data with Facebook?
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