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  1.    12 Jun 2017 #481
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
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    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & Insider 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
    I have 3rd party software installed, such as IrfanView, bit I do not have any 3rd party Anti-malware programs installed on the desktop itself. I have 2 VMs I use for testing those types of programs.
    With regards to 3rd party software that I do have installed, they have all worked with everything build this fat, and when they do not, I report then to the respective developers. After all, that is why I am running a Ŗeta version of the OS in the first place. To test other applications and report problems to devs to give then a heads up on what to expect from future WinX build as well as an early lead on what they may need to change.
    And in my case specifically, if the update had not successfully completed I was already planning to clean install, either directly, or else the previous build followed by an immediate update. Far more manageable than disabling apps to get the update to work.
    I hear what youíre saying about testing. John. Thatís why we choose to volunteer, but if Insiders canít get their systems updated at all there wonít be any testing of the system itself, let alone 3rd party apps. It looks as if many canít even use the ISO install.

    First off, it could be that the main problem is the UUP delivery MS chose. It may not be downloading all the necessary system files needed for some. Itís going back and forth keeping track and delivering only the necessary files needed. Heck it could be a flaw that itís not fulfilling the correct database to do so, again, for some. And yes, it is a ďfatĒ upgrade install. Took me roughly 15 minutes more to install. A lot of changes for sure.

    I saw Kariís frustrated tweet of asking MS for the ESD. I can understand why MS wants us to use and test UUP, but simply ask us to. If it doesnít work, then an ISO should be made available. Even make it a week after update date. I understand MS's approach with UUP to save data for those on a metered connection or even otherwise. Heaven knows we use too much utility resources as it is.

    BTW, TBO I do run some 3rd party SSD disk and Asus MoBo utilities on my CU partition. I only install these when I think the system is stable enough, especially Ai Suite II for itís managing a lot of the system. Usually 3 or 4 days after upgrading. Iím about to install them on my 16215 too. Iíll give it til after an update. Hopefully tomorrow, Tuesday. Weíll see.
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  2.    12 Jun 2017 #482
    Join Date : Nov 2014
    Floyd, VA
    Posts : 1,122
    Triple Boot Windows 10 IP Build 17025/Windows Server 2016/Debian Sid

    Buildfeed canary is at 16221 compiled Friday. I've created 3 215 VMs on Linux which I'm copying for use with Windows Server 2016.
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  3.    12 Jun 2017 #483
    Join Date : Feb 2015
    3rd Rock
    Posts : 729
    WinX Pro x64 IP v14986

    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    I hear what youíre saying about testing. John. Thatís why we choose to volunteer, but if Insiders canít get their systems updated at all there wonít be any testing of the system itself, let alone 3rd party apps. It looks as if many canít even use the ISO install.

    First off, it could be that the main problem is the UUP delivery MS chose. It may not be downloading all the necessary system files needed for some. Itís going back and forth keeping track and delivering only the necessary files needed. Heck it could be a flaw that itís not fulfilling the correct database to do so, again, for some. And yes, it is a ďfatĒ upgrade install. Took me roughly 15 minutes more to install. A lot of changes for sure.

    I saw Kariís frustrated tweet of asking MS for the ESD. I can understand why MS wants us to use and test UUP, but simply ask us to. If it doesnít work, then an ISO should be made available. Even make it a week after update date. I understand MS's approach with UUP to save data for those on a metered connection or even otherwise. Heaven knows we use too much utility resources as it is.

    BTW, TBO I do run some 3rd party SSD disk and Asus MoBo utilities on my CU partition. I only install these when I think the system is stable enough, especially Ai Suite II for itís managing a lot of the system. Usually 3 or 4 days after upgrading. Iím about to install them on my 16215 too. Iíll give it til after an update. Hopefully tomorrow, Tuesday. Weíll see.
    Gotcha. I think running through the reboot process is what messed mine up, it would get to the second or third reboot and just hang. Forcing the reboot and attempting to manually install must have triggered something, because it was right after that that the machine start and completed the upgrade process.

    I might try to revert and then see if I can replicate the issue (and my fix) late tonight.
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  4.    12 Jun 2017 #484
    Join Date : Dec 2015
    Philadelphia PA
    Posts : 30
    Windows 10 1703 Build 16179.10000

    "TBO, I realize I'm an oddball around here in that I use no 3rd party software at all and use Defender...". Hey, HippsieGypsie, I also try to stick to native software only on my Insider Preview machine, if only to duplicate what I think a lot of computer users do - they just want what they paid for to work, without having to scrounge around for add-ons or expensive utilities. So don't feel like you're an oddball. Unless, of course, you want to be! Cheers!
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  5.    12 Jun 2017 #485
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
    Posts : 28,967
    Triple boot - Win 10 Pro, Win 10 Pro Insider (2) - (and a sprinkling of VMs)

    Although possible, anything is, I sincerely doubt that the calamitous install debacle with this build is due in most part by 3rd party software. I set up a clean install of 16199, completely virgin and untouched by anything non-MS, and it failed thru WU as did all the rest.
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  6.    12 Jun 2017 #486
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 17,566
    Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16281

    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    In Settings, Network and Internet......check what status is showing.....is it Ethernet or Wi-Fi?
    What I did was to roll back to Build 16199, hook up to Ethernet and then let it offer me Build 16215 again. That's when I got the There were problems . . . Retry, so at that point I was on Ethernet. I have since gone back to WiFi on Build 16199; unplugged the Ethernet cable.

    WiFi is showing right now.
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  7.    12 Jun 2017 #487
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    A Finnish expat in Germany
    Posts : 12,958
    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by f14tomcat View Post
    Although possible, anything is, I sincerely doubt that the calamitous install debacle with this build is due in most part by 3rd party software. I set up a clean install of 16199, completely virgin and untouched by anything non-MS, and it failed thru WU as did all the rest.
    I agree. In my opinion the fact that the same install can even fail with different errors supports the fact that 16215 simply was and is busted.

    Like this laptop of mine. I made a Macrium image after upgrade was downloaded and initialized because at that point first posts and tweets about it failing started to appear. I wanted to be sure, so after creating ISO but before upgrade I made an image.

    - Round 1, upgrade from WU > Restart now, error code 0x30018
    - Round 2, upgrade from ISO, error code 0x30018

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    - At this point I restored the image and tried again

    - Round 3, upgrade from WU > Restart now, error code 0x2004
    - Round 4, upgrade from ISO, error code 0x2004

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    Same machine, exactly the same start situation.
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  8.    12 Jun 2017 #488
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Arnold, MD
    Posts : 28,967
    Triple boot - Win 10 Pro, Win 10 Pro Insider (2) - (and a sprinkling of VMs)

    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I agree. In my opinion the fact that the same install can even fail with different errors supports the fact that 16215 simply was and is busted.

    Like this laptop of mine. I made a Macrium image after upgrade was downloaded and initialized because at that point first posts and tweets about it failing started to appear. I wanted to be sure, so after creating ISO but before upgrade I made an image.
    - Round 1, upgrade from WU > Restart now, error code 0x30018
    - Round 2, upgrade from ISO, error code 0x30018

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	image.png 
Views:	82 
Size:	94.6 KB 
ID:	139217

    - At this point I restored the image and tried again

    - Round 3, upgrade from WU > Restart now, error code 0x2004
    - Round 4, upgrade from ISO, error code 0x2004

    Click image for larger version. 

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    Same machine, exactly the same start situation.
    And a VM of mine (VMWare) went right thru without choking once. But that is with the VMWare Host in charge of the Boot process........
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  9.    12 Jun 2017 #489
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Toronto
    Posts : 4,641
    Win 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    What I did was to roll back to Build 16199, hook up to Ethernet and then let it offer me Build 16215 again. That's when I got the There were problems . . . Retry, so at that point I was on Ethernet. I have since gone back to WiFi on Build 16199; unplugged the Ethernet cable.

    WiFi is showing right now.
    Sometimes even though you have an ethernet cable hooked up, wifi is still kicking in. Try disabling the wifi adapter. (Open network and sharing center>>> Change adapter settings>>>right-click & disable wireless network)
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  10.    12 Jun 2017 #490
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Chicagoland
    Posts : 33,778
    Dual boot Windows 10 FCU Pro x 64 & Insider 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Airone View Post
    "TBO, I realize I'm an oddball around here in that I use no 3rd party software at all and use Defender...". Hey, HippsieGypsie, I also try to stick to native software only on my Insider Preview machine, if only to duplicate what I think a lot of computer users do - they just want what they paid for to work, without having to scrounge around for add-ons or expensive utilities. So don't feel like you're an oddball. Unless, of course, you want to be! Cheers!
    LOL, I've always felt like I was from another planet. Earthlings are strange.

    So, your system upgraded ok I assume?
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