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  1.    12 Jun 2017 #461
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    According to this Wikipedia article it was Symantec that bought Peter Norton Computing in 1990, which at the time Norton was a DOS utilities developer, not AV. At the time Symantec developed AV for Macintosh. After acquiring Norton, Symantec developed AV for the PC market.

    Origins

    In May 1989, Symantec launched Symantec Antivirus for the Macintosh (SAM). SAM 2.0, released March 1990, incorporated technology allowing users to easily update SAM to intercept and eliminate new viruses, including many that didn't exist at the time of the program's release.

    In August 1990 Symantec acquired Peter Norton Computing from Peter Norton. Norton and his company developed various DOS utilities including the Norton Utilities, which did not include antivirus features. Symantec continued the development of acquired technologies. The technologies are marketed under the name of "Norton", with the tagline "from Symantec". Norton's crossed-arm pose, a registered U.S. trademark, was traditionally featured on Norton product packaging. However, his pose was later moved to the spine of the packaging, and eventually dropped altogether.

    By early 1991, U.S. computers were invaded by hundreds of foreign virus strains and corporate PC infection was becoming a serious problem. Symantec's Norton Group launched Norton AntiVirus 1.0 (NAV) for PC and compatible computers. Ads for the product, with suggested retail $129, featured Norton in his crossed-arm pose, wearing a pink shirt and surgical mask covering his nose and mouth.
    With the 1998 version 5.0 update, SAM was renamed Norton AntiVirus (NAV) for Macintosh.
    More here: Norton AntiVirus - Wikipedia
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  2.    12 Jun 2017 #462
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    Issues with default programs.

    Bought a new copy of Audioslave - Audioslave disc and ripped to FLAC on my computer. Have WiMP set as default music player. When I try to play the files I get the following error:

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    And if I drag the file to WiMP it plays perfectly fine. If I change the default program back to Groove it plays just fine. But upon changing it back to WiMP it fails to play unless Dragged and dropped or opened from inside WiMP. And this behavior survives multiple reboots.

    I thought it was just something stupid in WiMP, until I made some screenshots today to post a bug report for a piece of software I use and am testing for the developer - Bins.

    I have IrfanView x64 set as my default image viewer. Any screenshot I created today will not load, with the following error:

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    Any old captures / images I have load perfectly fine. Again, if I change the default back to Photos, the new images load just fine. And I can drag and drop them into IrfanView and they open just fine. But upon changing the default back to IrfanView I get the same error again. And, again, it survives multiple reboots.

    So, yeah, this build is an utter waste of time.
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  3.    12 Jun 2017 #463
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    Quote Originally Posted by HippsieGypsie View Post
    According to this Wikipedia article it was Symantec that bought Peter Norton Computing in 1990, which at the time Norton was a DOS utilities developer, not AV. At the time Symantec developed AV for Macintosh. After acquiring Norton, Symantec developed AV for the PC market.



    More here: Norton AntiVirus - Wikipedia
    Yeah, I was a big used of Norton Utilities on my DOS-based machines back in the day. And when I got hit with a 'lizard' iurus (more likely called a worm now, I think) that screwed up all of my executables, it was Symantec's NAV 4.0.x that saved my derriere, although every single self-extracting .ZIP file I had stopped self extracting properly (the contents were still undamaged, luckily - that was when I stopped relying on self-extracting .ZIP files).

    Pretty sure I still have a few copies of Norton Utilities on 3.5" diskettes lying around in storage somewhere.
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  4.    12 Jun 2017 #464

    Not updating, like 199
    so another wait
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  5.    12 Jun 2017 #465
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    I attempted to go through the posts here trying to perhaps find a common thread in the systems that did not update. Found that a lot of you didn't fill out your system specs. Please do so.

    With that said, some of you may want to clean out 3rd party AV and apps to see if your systems update. A stab in the dark, but it may be worth a try. I know of one member that recently changed to 3rd party AV and is now having problems updating, whereas that member didn't in prior builds.

    TBO, I realize I'm an oddball around here in that I use no 3rd party software at all and use Defender, yet my systems update and have very few problems. It’s not that I’m against anyone using 3rd party. Of course, it’s anyone’s choice. I’m just attempting to find a solution that may affect some. I realize there may be other reasons too.
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  6.    12 Jun 2017 #466
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    With regards to HG's post above, the only 3rd party software I have installed when I updated to 16215 are Chrome, Macrium and MiniTool Partition Wizard. The upgrade took a bit longer (59mins on first attempt) but it went through smoothly.
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  7.    12 Jun 2017 #467
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    I have no 3rd party SW that has anything to do with system or are running on auto and all the time and still it wouldn't install directly but did from .ISO I made at that time. With exactly same setup there was no problems updating for very long time.
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  8.    12 Jun 2017 #468
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    Quote Originally Posted by johngalt View Post
    Yeah, I was a big used of Norton Utilities on my DOS-based machines back in the day. And when I got hit with a 'lizard' iurus (more likely called a worm now, I think) that screwed up all of my executables, it was Symantec's NAV 4.0.x that saved my derriere, although every single self-extracting .ZIP file I had stopped self extracting properly (the contents were still undamaged, luckily - that was when I stopped relying on self-extracting .ZIP files).

    Pretty sure I still have a few copies of Norton Utilities on 3.5" diskettes lying around in storage somewhere.
    As one antidisestablishmentarian to another , in reading your bio and reading into a timeline, you must be retiring soon?

    I can only read of such things. It's before my time. I was given a Gateway 2000 with 95 on it. Absolutely new nothing about computers, but started learning how to use them for a construction business. Now I know enough to be dangerous.

    Anywho, 95 was short lived, then onto 98, then 98SE. Dabbled in DOS to repair a few things, but that was about it. I use command line only with strict directions that I can follow. My hat off to you that know this stuff.
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  9.    12 Jun 2017 #469
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    With regards to HG's post above, the only 3rd party software I have installed when I updated to 16215 are Chrome, Macrium and MiniTool Partition Wizard. The upgrade took a bit longer (59mins on first attempt) but it went through smoothly.
    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I have no 3rd party SW that has anything to do with system or are running on auto and all the time and still it wouldn't install directly but did from .ISO I made at that time. With exactly same setup there was no problems updating for very long time.
    Thanks for that info, guys. I realize it may be any number of reasons. MS's end, System architecture, BIOSs, 3rd party AV, and heaven only knows. I see Kari is still plugging away at a solution, but it looks like he can't get one of his systems to fail? As of last night anyway. When Insider build upgrade fails - A Workaround - Page 2 - Windows 10 Forums
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  10.    12 Jun 2017 #470
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    With regards to HG's post above, the only 3rd party software I have installed when I updated to 16215 are Chrome, Macrium and MiniTool Partition Wizard. The upgrade took a bit longer (59mins on first attempt) but it went through smoothly.
    Since the last outsider, I have installed Macrium, Opera, Wi-Fi Tool, and Speed Fan. Also installed a Netgear extender.
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