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  1.    21 Jul 2015 #41
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Phelps View Post
    As to upgrading, I plan to upgrade some really old Win7 systems simply because the upgrade is free. But my main system runs Win8.1 and I don't know that I'm willing to spend $200 (approximate) to dual-boot it with Win10 when I only paid $40 to dual-boot Win8 with Win7.
    I have installed a Vantec NexStar SE dual hard drive rack from NEWEGG in order to hot swop, am running W8.1 and W10 on the same computer, but obviously not together.
    Price on above unit Approx $19 but reduced by 15%.
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  2.    21 Jul 2015 #42
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    Windows 10

    I don't understand the $200 expense. Would not the free upgrade apply to your main system as well?

    As for me, I am an inveterate early adopter as each build as been released I like Windows 10 better and better. So far I have found no bugs in the 10240 build. With some important tweaks (Stardock 8) I have learned to tolerate 8.1

    IMO if your are running Windows 7 happily there is no persuasive reason to upgrade but no reason not to either - personal decision. As Edge and Cortana mature there will be more reason to go to Win 10.

    If you are running 8 or 8.1 the upgrade becomes more of a good idea.

    Bottom line for all of us is to do what is confortable for you.
    Cheers
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  3.    21 Jul 2015 #43

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    What have they removed that you don't like -- the only one I can see that's at all obvious is the removal of CHARMS which was a bit useless to a lot of people (especially on non Touch devices) anyway.

    Endless scrolling / no way of cascading menus etc etc --W8 was a bit of an abomination for a lot of people --again especially for those without touch devices.

    Please again say what's been removed from W8 that you miss in W10.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    Well since you asked
    I don't like that they have removed most of the Theme functions;
    1. you can't even create a background color
    2. you can't edit colors
    3. you can't choose how long to make icon spacing without regedit
    4. you can't customize taskbar colors (they only have set choices)

    Windows 7 was best, 8 removed some, but left enough to be tolerable

    I don't like that you can no longer selectively choose which updates you want
    1. what if in the future they remove a feature I like or use, I won't have any control
    2. what if their updates screws up my system, it's happened in all other versions
    3. why not allow updates to be disabled? <---- this really, really bothers me


    I don't like that they removed Media Center, (yes I know) blah, blah
    Regardless, of pro and con of Media Center, many legacy softwares used the default drivers provided
    by Media Center, now they don't function, they could have at least left (or allowed one to install drivers)
    you are not even able to play a dvd, without installing 3rd party software (they abandon everything)

    Let's talk about Edge, since eventually I think they will remove IE all together

    1. I don't like that Edge imports bookmarks in reverse order
    2. I don't like that you can't easily edit bookmarks, it only allows you to delete one-by-one
    3. I don't like that you can't reset Edge to defaults
    4. they said it would have extensions, I haven't heard or seen anything about this


    Let's talk about tablet mode
    1. I am unable to snap to either left, or right screens any more
    2. I much preferred the Metro interface of Windows 8 (but that is a personal issue)
    3. I also miss being able to go to the left upper corner and displaying my different app
    4. For me this tablet mode is just stupid and totally useless


    DirectX doesn't seem to be functional (I am sure they will correct this at some point and time)
    but again, not even 11, 10 or 9c seem to function, I had to search for an old stand alone install for it
    this is really not essential unless you are a gamer, so no biggie

    I really don't like the tiled menu, and I still don't like that you can't pin items to a menu (again personal issue)

    I won't go into the whole vague issue of the free thing, verses licenses (makes my head spin).

    These are just some basic issues I have with it, I could go on, you mentioned some (I like the Charm bar, I thought it was brilliant). But, the above are enough to stop me dead in my tracks for upgrading. It may sound frivolous to some, but for me they are major stopping blocks. Good god it just seems, that it isn't even my machine or Operating system any longer, and after the first year, they want me to pay for this?

    I have been a Microsoft person my entire life, I have gone through every version since day one (bad and good), but this one leaves me wanting. I am good with my Windows 7 & 8 for the next 10 years. I have never really thought about a Mac or Linux, but I am willing to make a switch now, where as before I wouldn't even consider it.

    On the bright side, Microsoft goes crazy every few years, so who knows, they might abandon this and in 10 years we will have an entirely new toy to play with.
    Last edited by Trust_No1; 21 Jul 2015 at 11:44.
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  4.    21 Jul 2015 #44
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    Windows 7 Professional 64 bit

    Quote Originally Posted by Trust_No1 View Post
    Well since you asked
    ...

    Let's talk about Edge, since eventually I think they will remove IE all together

    1. I don't like that Edge imports bookmarks in reverse order
    2. I don't like that you can't easily edit bookmarks, it only allows you to delete one-by-one
    3. I don't like that you can't reset Edge to defaults
    4. they said it would have extensions, I haven't heard or seen anything about this


    ...

    DirectX doesn't seem to be functional (I am sure they will correct this at some point and time)
    but again, not even 11, 10 or 9c seem to function, I had to search for an old stand alone install for it
    this is really not essential unless you are a gamer, so no biggie

    I really don't like the tiled menu, and I still don't like that you can't pin items to a menu (again personal issue)

    I won't go into the whole vague issue of the free thing, verses licenses (makes my head spin).

    These are just some basic issues I have with it, I could go on, you mentioned some (I like the Charm bar, I thought it was brilliant). But, the above are enough to stop me dead in my tracks for upgrading. It may sound frivolous to some, but for me they are major stopping blocks. Good god it just seems, that it isn't even my machine or Operating system any longer, and after the first year, they want me to pay for this?

    I have been a Microsoft person my entire life, I have gone through every version since day one (bad and good), but this one leaves me wanting. I am good with my Windows 7 & 8 for the next 10 years. I have never really thought about a Mac or Linux, but I am willing to make a switch now, where as before I wouldn't even consider it.

    On the bright side, Microsoft goes crazy every few years, so who knows, they might abandon this and in 10 years we will have an entirely new toy to play with.
    IE and DirectX have been deprecated for Windows 10 in favour of Edge, which is completely HTML5 compliant.
    Last edited by iain; 21 Jul 2015 at 12:17.
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  5.    21 Jul 2015 #45
    Join Date : May 2015
    Oakville
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    XP/7/8.1/10 PRO 10586

    So, is there any patch or option to increase the font size or the width of the scroll bar in the RTM 10240 version right now or, still when you use Shawn's Classic Personalization to change font sizes the start menu font is still that 9pt size or 8pt, not even sure anymore .... ?
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  6.    21 Jul 2015 #46
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    Windows 10 64-bits

    Quote Originally Posted by iain View Post
    IE and DirectX have been deprecated for Windows 10 in favour of Edge, which is completely HTML5 compliant.
    No, Edge isn't "completely" HTML5 compliant, not even close:

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    Well, at least better than Safari...
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  7.    21 Jul 2015 #47
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    W10 Pro (desktop), W10 (laptop), W10 (laptop), W10Pro (tablet)

    Quote Originally Posted by BunnyJ View Post
    ...
    Overall users of Win7 should have an easier time adjusting to Win10 than say the shock they might have faced with adaption to Win8. Now that was not fun at all.
    I've yet to experience the shock of adapting to Win 8. It was (and still is) just as familiar as Win 10. I'd say Win 10 is LESS familiar with things such as Cortana, the move to the Notification Area from the Control Panel, Edge browser, etc... The Start menu in Win 10 is almost NOTHING like the Start menu in Win 7 so I don't consider it "familiar" either.

    There's nothing wrong with Win 10, it's a decent OS but not anything to be in a hurry to upgrade to.

    I'd like to get some copies of it for free but don't wish to upgrade any of my machines. I could use some non-upgrade copies to clean install on new machines.
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  8.    21 Jul 2015 #48
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    Dual boot Windows 10 Pro x 64 CU build 15063 & Insider Build 16273

    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    I've yet to experience the shock of adapting to Win 8. It was (and still is) just as familiar as Win 10. I'd say Win 10 is LESS familiar with things such as Cortana, the move to the Notification Area from the Control Panel, Edge browser, etc... The Start menu in Win 10 is almost NOTHING like the Start menu in Win 7 so I don't consider it "familiar" either.

    There's nothing wrong with Win 10, it's a decent OS but not anything to be in a hurry to upgrade to.

    I'd like to get some copies of it for free but don't wish to upgrade any of my machines. I could use some non-upgrade copies to clean install on new machines.
    Couldn't have said it better myself, strollin. I feel just the same at this point. There are some good features of 10 like the newer RT apps, but overall navigation with 8.1 is better IMO. Lack of combo keys in 10 especially. Kind of warming up to it in Tablet Mode, but not quite the same.

    The new Start menu is really nothing but a mini version of Start screen and All apps screen combination. Resembles the 7 Start menu somewhat, but simply not the same.
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  9.    21 Jul 2015 #49
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    Windows 10 Pro x64

    Quote Originally Posted by strollin View Post
    I've yet to experience the shock of adapting to Win 8. It was (and still is) just as familiar as Win 10. I'd say Win 10 is LESS familiar with things such as Cortana, the move to the Notification Area from the Control Panel, Edge browser, etc... The Start menu in Win 10 is almost NOTHING like the Start menu in Win 7 so I don't consider it "familiar" either.

    There's nothing wrong with Win 10, it's a decent OS but not anything to be in a hurry to upgrade to.

    I'd like to get some copies of it for free but don't wish to upgrade any of my machines. I could use some non-upgrade copies to clean install on new machines.
    Ok.. I just stated what I thought and I didn't state them as facts.
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  10.    14 Aug 2015 #50
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    Windows 10 (64bit)

    Windows 10 is the best OS in the world now. Don't hang on the 7 peeps. It was a great OS and still is, but times have moved on. 8 was a disaster but 8.1 was okay, easier to put up with. With 10, i got nothing but praise for it. Works great on my laptop. No bugs, glitches or lags. No slowdowns, faster boot & shutdown speeds.
    The whole look of it is more modern, settings are more thought out and in order. Not like settings in 8, which was all over the place. Slowly, if they can get rid of the control panel we all know and are used to, i wont mind. More streamlined without jumping from desktop panel to modern settings.
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