Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16199 PC + 15215 Mobile Insider

BugMeister said:

I have had to resort to using Outlook 2007 as Outlook 2016 won't function properly

- not really ideal, but no other option..

- is there a way to delete and re-install Outlook 2016, I don't fancy doing the whole Office 2016 suite again..??
- oddly enough, the rest of my Standard Office 2016 installation works perfectly - only Outlook is playing up..

Like HG said...

BugMeister said:

I have had to resort to using Outlook 2007 as Outlook 2016 won't function properly

- not really ideal, but no other option..

- is there a way to delete and re-install Outlook 2016, I don't fancy doing the whole Office 2016 suite again..??
- oddly enough, the rest of my Standard Office 2016 installation works perfectly - only Outlook is playing up..

I'm not having any problems with Outlook 2016, except that when I installed Malwarebytes, it takes forever and three days to start up. In fact my computer has slowed down on startup and other things too.

badrobot said:

The problem arise when there is an upgrade. The boot manager goes out of whack. If what you are saying is true, then no one will post this issue.
I don't do automatic dual boot because of the problem it creates during an upgrade. I manually select a boot drive on boot up and pull out the other drive before attempting an upgrade. It's fixable I know but it's easier for me doing it my way.
And no, my OSes boots up by themselves. If you say it won't boot if you remove one drive, then that is the problem itself.
I create an image backup for each drive.
On my main PC, my main day to day OS is on M.2 SSD and the Insider Preview is on a regular SSD.
Been doing it for the past 6 years without a hiccup.

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Robot, my boot manager only goes out of whack when I update the Creative Update (15063) partition. It has never done that with any Insider Builds. Go figure . . .

badrobot said:

The problem arise when there is an upgrade. The boot manager goes out of whack. If what you are saying is true, then no one will post this issue.
I don't do automatic dual boot because of the problem it creates during an upgrade. I manually select a boot drive on boot up and pull out the other drive before attempting an upgrade. It's fixable I know but it's easier for me doing it my way.
And no, my OSes boots up by themselves. If you say it won't boot if you remove one drive, then that is the problem itself.
I create an image backup for each drive.
On my main PC, my main day to day OS is on M.2 SSD and the Insider Preview is on a regular SSD.
Been doing it for the past 6 years without a hiccup.

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You are simply doing two single boot installs in legacy bios on separate drives. That is ok if you can easily select which from startup eg just pressing F2.

On UEFI installs, it can be a lot harder to get to bios as not all devices support a function key press to get to bios. On some uefi pcs, you have to go via windows menus or same menus via a repair disk. This makes selecting drive to boot from much more difficult.

Even on my lenovo which has an embedded fiddly hot button that allows you to get to bios, you still have to go via a menu system to select bios.

So for UEFI (most devices these days), having two single boot options is cumbersome.

Also using windows manager to get boot options gives a lot of flexibility eg you can add winpse installs like Macrium Reflect to boot menu. It is essential if you want to run hyper-v and vmware on same install.

So having multiple single boot might be ok for you, but you cannot say dual boot on pc is not a good idea as for others it may be the best idea, especially if one drive is sdd and other hdd.

smactilactus said:

But I absolutely think you can use it for the fact that you smoke cigarettes with all the knowledge we have today on how they are the biggest killer of human beings on the planet, and have been for their greater history. Quitting isn't as hard as they say... Hope this is taken in the spirit it's intended, which is NOT to be offensive, but constructive.

My doctor has this talk quite often with me. He tells me whisky and smoking are going to kill me slowly. My answer has always been the same: as I am in no hurry, it's OK for me.

cereberus said:

You are simply doing two single boot installs in legacy bios on separate drives. That is ok if you can easily select which from startup eg just pressing F2.

On UEFI installs, it can be a lot harder to get to bios as not all devices support a function key press to get to bios. On some uefi pcs, you have to go via windows menus or same menus via a repair disk. This makes selecting drive to boot from much more difficult.

Even on my lenovo which has an embedded fiddly hot button that allows you to get to bios, you still have to go via a menu system to select bios.

So for UEFI (most devices these days), having two single boot options is cumbersome.

Also using windows manager to get boot options gives a lot of flexibility eg you can add winpse installs like Macrium Reflect to boot menu. It is essential if you want to run hyper-v and vmware on same install.

So having multiple single boot might be ok for you, but you cannot say dual boot on pc is not a good idea as for others it may be the best idea, especially if one drive is sdd and other hdd.

I never had a problem when two or in my case 3 drives have different OSs installed separately on each disk, UEFI or Legacy BIOS. Each disk has own UEFI partition and can function separate from each other. 2 x SSD and one HDD and there's no difference between SSD and HDD.
First one (SSD) has W10 on it and a BOOT Menu made by EasyBCD.

CountMike said:

I never had a problem when two or in my case 3 drives have different OSs installed separately on each disk, UEFI or Legacy BIOS. Each disk has own UEFI partition and can function separate from each other. 2 x SSD and one HDD and there's no difference between SSD and HDD.
First one (SSD) has W10 on it and a BOOT Menu made by EasyBCD.

My point was it can be cumbersome, with uefi, selecting drives on some pcs, and a dual boot drive is more convenient, and if so, it is a matter of preference whether OSs should be on same drive or separate - pros and cons.

I just disagree with assertion it is not a good idea to dual boot OS with both on same drive. There are pros and cons and each user has to assess them accordingly.

cereberus said:

My point was it can be cumbersome, with uefi, selecting drives on some pcs, and a dual boot drive is more convenient, and if so, it is a matter of preference whether OSs should be on same drive or separate - pros and cons.

I just disagree with assertion it is not a good idea to dual boot OS with both on same drive. There are pros and cons and each user has to assess them accordingly.

Yes, on same drive it can get complicated, on separate drives it's just a matter of installing each OS while that drive is alone in the machine. If nothing else, each BIOS has options for choosing BOOT device thru a fast change menu and that's no more complicated than with a menu made by OS.
Only once I had a problem and it was with an early alpha version of W8 which somehow managed to wipe out BOOT on both drives I had at that time, one was with W7. and machine had legacy BIOS.
Mixing in Linux can complicate things even further.

cereberus said:

My point was it can be cumbersome, with uefi, selecting drives on some pcs, and a dual boot drive is more convenient, and if so, it is a matter of preference whether OSs should be on same drive or separate - pros and cons.

I just disagree with assertion it is not a good idea to dual boot OS with both on same drive. There are pros and cons and each user has to assess them accordingly.

I also just disagree with you saying that once one drive was removed, the other won't boot. If that is the case, then there's a huge problem with your boot manager being in the wrong place. It's not supposed to be that way. Each drive should be able to boot up by itself and can be imaged independent of each other.
So, just because some PCs can't do multiple drives means it's a good idea to have multiple OSes on a single drive.
My main point is that, with multiple drives, you can disconnect the other drives to avoid messing up the boot manager on the other before performing an upgrade task. Otherwise, you will have a problem of multiples OSes with a single boot partition or some of them won't boot up at all.

CountMike said:

Mixing in Linux can complicate things even further.

Oh yeah. Even on it's own drive, Linux can be nasty sometimes.