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  1.    29 May 2017 #351
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Oh man - that's the bloody point - F2 or similar does not bloody work on all bloody pcs. Have you not actually read what I posted! Bye Bye.
    This is actually the first time I heard of an F key not working on PC. It's probably a keyboard problem and not a PC. I am sure I wouldn't know until I had one. Bye bye.
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  2.    29 May 2017 #352
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    Quote Originally Posted by meebers View Post
    I install on separate SSD's, 1 is insider and the other is AU. A dual removable tray makes this so easy. Slide one out just enough to disconnect the pins in the back and and slide the other in to make connections. I only have one in at a time. Boot up must check which one is populated and boots accordingly. Dual tray also makes it easy when I do an image etc on a backup drive. I do have HDD's in use, but prefer an image(s) to be out of the machine and stored away. I find this easy for me. YMMV
    I have that on my old PC.
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  3.    29 May 2017 #353
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    Quote Originally Posted by badrobot View Post
    This is actually the first time I heard of an F key not working on PC. It's probably a keyboard problem and not a PC. I am sure I wouldn't know until I had one. Bye bye.
    Some have different keys or keystrokes, my last one used Del. key while this one can use Del. and after that F1 while F2 brings it right away in first setup screen, Seen some that also use Esc. key. On my last MB F12 brought a fast boot device switch while on this one is F8. That's why it's important to read manual.
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  4.    29 May 2017 #354
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Some have different keys or keystrokes, my last one used Del. key while this one can use Del. and after that F1 while F2 brings it right away in first setup screen, Seen some that also use Esc. key. On my last MB F12 brought a fast boot device switch while on this one is F8. That's why it's important to read manual.
    Or google up.
    And yeah, my Acer HTPC uses Del key to get to BIOS.
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  5.    29 May 2017 #355
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    This build seems to have some real problems with game compatibility. Found another D3d game that ran perfectly under pre-Creator's Update builds that *won't run at all* under 16199 D3d. Have to actually change the API (to GLIDE) to run the game at all, now, as d3d no longer works at all! Prior to the CU, game compatibility under Win10x64 builds was nearly 100%, or as close to that ideal number as possible. Seems Microsoft is really screwing up d3d with these "gaming modes" because they attach extraneous dll's to the game executables in ram and it's playing havoc with game compatibility. (Oh, the game is the GOG version of Wizardry 8--which ran fine under Win10x64 d3d until 16188 and forward.)
    Yeah, I had so many games that either wouldn't run at all or would constantly freeze up that I had to roll back to the CU. The current insider build and the one before it were both terrible, gaming-wise, for me.
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  6.    29 May 2017 #356
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    Hi,

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    I have gone to great lengths to explain many PCs do not easily handle switching OS via bios if UEFI, and you do not acknowledge the point. You must have a pc where that is not an issue - it's a real PITA on mine. My final word - HORSE FOR COURSES.
    Then many pc's must have badly coded UEFI bios . Which is a shame. I don't have that issue at all and understand your frustration.
    No need to take it out on other members though.....

    If anything, UEFI makes dual booting easy and versatile. True dual booting can be flaky, at best.


    Cheers,
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  7.    29 May 2017 #357
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    Quote Originally Posted by fdegrove View Post
    Hi,



    Then many pc's must have badly coded UEFI bios . Which is a shame. I don't have that issue at all and understand your frustration.
    No need to take it out on other members though.....

    If anything, UEFI makes dual booting easy and versatile. True dual booting can be flaky, at best.


    Cheers,
    I am a bit surprised people do not seem to understand that the traditional means of getting to bios is different with UEFI and I have seen lots of newer devices where traditional methods do not work. Even if they do work, they often only work if fastboot is disabled, especially if pc has ssd, as pc can boot too quickly before user can actually press a function key.

    In some cases (not my devices), I have had to resort to removing internal bios battery to force a jump to bios to be able to change boot order so I can boot from a flash drive.

    This is easy with a pc, but with a laptop, can be a major challenge.

    First thing I do on any UEFI pc is access bios and change boot order to boot from a usb flash drive first, then I know if I have issues getting to bios, I can always get there via a usb installation drive which is guaranteed to work on any device.


    It is easy to say it is a poor or faulty bios that does not allow access via function keys, but for a lot of devices, that is by design!

    Many articles on web that discuss difficulties in accessing bios in UEFI even if pc has function key access e.g.

    Can't Access BIOS Setup with F2 Key
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  8.    29 May 2017 #358
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    I am a bit surprised people do not seem to understand that the traditional means of getting to bios is different with UEFI and I have seen lots of newer devices where traditional methods do not work. Even if they do work, they often only work if fastboot is disabled, especially if pc has ssd, as pc can boot too quickly before user can actually press a function key.

    In some cases (not my devices), I have had to resort to removing internal bios battery to force a jump to bios to be able to change boot order so I can boot from a flash drive.

    This is easy with a pc, but with a laptop, can be a major challenge.

    First thing I do on any UEFI pc is access bios and change boot order to boot from a usb flash drive first, then I know if I have issues getting to bios, I can always get there via a usb installation drive which is guaranteed to work on any device.


    It is easy to say it is a poor or faulty bios that does not allow access via function keys, but for a lot of devices, that is by design!

    Many articles on web that discuss difficulties in accessing bios in UEFI even if pc has function key access e.g.

    Can't Access BIOS Setup with F2 Key
    Everyone knows about the fast boot. And that's your answer. Disable it to have full control of your PC. Just like any machine, it's like the auto/manual override switch.
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  9.    29 May 2017 #359
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    Triple boot - Win 10 Pro, Win 10 Pro Insider (2) - (and a sprinkling of VMs)

    Just to add a little before we get the "Back to Topic" reminder.....

    On this machine, and I'm pretty sure on my old Dell 3847, holding down the shift key while doing either a Restart or cold Power On, gets me right to this. Can go anywhere, including BIOS/UEFI. Assumes, of course, a working system. With a Recovery partition in place. Just a little something that may work for others.

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  10.    29 May 2017 #360
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    Strange. I brought my Lumia 930 out of mothballs. It had been bricked by a previous upgrade, claiming the efi loader wasn't signed or some such. Did a little googling, then found the hardware-activated factory reset. Did that and was able to boot up again.. so I proceeded to install the latest update, but it wouldn't let me "fix" the insider account, every time I tried to link my MSA it crashed the settings app..

    So, I downloaded the Windows Device Recovery Tool, which ended up restoring Windows 8.1 on the phone. Ok, so went through another upgrade, and it upgraded to 14393 (the AU update), run Update again, and it downloads 15063 (CU). Strange that the Upgrade Advisor doesn't directly upgrade it to 15063, but oh well.

    So now I turn on Insider builds, set it to Fast Ring, and.. nothing. It's been more than 24 hours, and no insider builds... strange.
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