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  1.    19 Jul 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Those that stay in the Insider program, on the fast ring, get them first. Then Slow ring, then everybody else. That's my understanding anyway. By the time it gets to the non insiders there shouldn't be any big gotcha's.
    I've personally never had a problem with any update, but then again, I only install software I need(except for theming, that's software I WANT), and use what Microsoft has created for everything else.. the "gotcha's" are usually caused by 3rd party AV's or poorly written 3rd party software that doesn't place things where it should. So my opinion it's never really Microsoft's fault. But I did like the Win7 System Image creator, and never had a single problem reimaging with it, even when I had to first shrink the OS to from my old 5400rpm spinner to fit a SSD.
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  2.    19 Jul 2015 #82
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I do and they are dime a dozen, some computers have them built in too. They are practical too, can be used in phones and other small devices and mailing them is easy and cheap. If windows become unified OS than you could update/upgrade all of them with only one storage media.
    I bought a couple of these, http://www.buyapi.ca/product/sd-mmc-card-reader/ Simple and easy to use on my PC's that don't have a card reader. I can boot from a bootable SD Card inserted in this adapter. I bought it so I could image Micros SD cards for my Raspberry Pi but use them for a lot more than that. I have an SD to Micro SD adapter I use with it. If only my laptop could boot from its card reader.
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  3.    19 Jul 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    I've personally never had a problem with any update, but then again, I only install software I need(except for theming, that's software I WANT), and use what Microsoft has created for everything else.. the "gotcha's" are usually caused by 3rd party AV's or poorly written 3rd party software that doesn't place things where it should. So my opinion it's never really Microsoft's fault. But I did like the Win7 System Image creator, and never had a single problem reimaging with it, even when I had to first shrink the OS to from my old 5400rpm spinner to fit a SSD.
    There was a rash of bad updates released a while back. Left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. It made me leery for a while.
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  4.    19 Jul 2015 #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    There was a rash of bad updates released a while back. Left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. It made me leery for a while.
    On both 7 and 8.1 during that time I never had a problem.
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  5.    19 Jul 2015 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    On both 7 and 8.1 during that time I never had a problem.
    I didn't either. Some of the botched updates were pulled before they got to me. Patch Tuesday almost always ended up being patch Wednesday for me. If I let it happen automatically it was usually Wednesday when I got the monthly updates.
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  6.    19 Jul 2015 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I didn't either. Some of the botched updates were pulled before they got to me. Patch Tuesday almost always ended up being patch Wednesday for me. I let it happen automatically it was usually Wednesday when I got the monthly updates.
    Probably a good argument against forcing updates on Patch Tuesday and just let Microsoft's server and Widows take care of it.
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  7.    19 Jul 2015 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    Probably a good argument against forcing updates on Patch Tuesday and just let Microsoft's server and Widows take care of it.
    The "Defer Updates" option in 10 may be enough, if it carries over into the official release. Even a week delay may be enough if the patch gets pulled a day or two after patch Tuesday. If I get zapped once of twice and have to reinstall/reimage because of it, it won't be long before I roll back to 8.1. If it becomes a big news issue a couple of times Microsoft may have to reconsider it. Time will tell.
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  8.    19 Jul 2015 #88
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    My main problem with the automatic updates is that they tend to pop up at arbitrary times. I have actually seen people starting to give a talk at a conference and then having to stop because the laptop decided to reboot to finish updates.

    In fact, this has to do with my main issue with Windows automation: all kind of stuff is scheduled to be done when the pc is idle, but by idle they mean absence of user input. If I leave the pc to calculate something that takes few hours I have to think ahead and turn all that stuff off otherwise it will go into maintenance and then sleep.
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  9.    19 Jul 2015 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    If the install media footprint keeps growing, eventually it isn't going to fit on your standard DVD anyway. Is Big Blue going to release Windows on BlueRay? I don't think so Tim.
    Why not? When DVD is too small and 4kHD becomes common, regular BluRay blanks will be cheap and every Tower sold at BestBuy will have a BluRay Writer and Windows 7. (Shakes head. Must have been dreaming. Never mind.)
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  10.    19 Jul 2015 #90
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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    My thoughts is that Mandatory updates will not last long things will change when M$ puts out one that hoses several million systems even M$ cannot stand the howling that will occur.
    Agreed.

    Using this "new improved system" you will need to perform daily OS backups, instead of just before installing "Patch Tuesday" updates.

    Running W10 as a VM (using VMware Workstation for example) seems to be the way to go, because you can perform instant snapshots just before starting the VM.
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