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  1.    21 Jul 2015 #91

    Hi there

    surely the CHEAPEST installation media would be one of those Micro SDHC cards (standard Micro SD adapters are available too). Up to 64GB available on one of those tiny things these days.

    Of course the main problem here is that very few computers if any can boot from an internal USB reader (there's no fundamental reason why not but I suppose hardware manufacturers rarely update the BIOS these days).

    If your computer recognises an external reader at boot time (in the boot menu) then the SD way to go would be my favourite --you could also store a backup image on it too.

    Another good thing about a micro SDHC card is that you can also store it into a lot of phones so you wouldn't lose it when you needed it for restoring an image to your computer.

    I do often store an image this way - now if the bootable restore program would recognise the phone as a USB device then that would be even simpler. Still Acronis at least recognises an external reader as an external drive.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  2.    21 Jul 2015 #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    surely the CHEAPEST installation media would be one of those Micro SDHC cards (standard Micro SD adapters are available too). Up to 64GB available on one of those tiny things these days.

    Of course the main problem here is that very few computers if any can boot from an internal USB reader (there's no fundamental reason why not but I suppose hardware manufacturers rarely update the BIOS these days).

    If your computer recognises an external reader at boot time (in the boot menu) then the SD way to go would be my favourite --you could also store a backup image on it too.

    Another good thing about a micro SDHC card is that you can also store it into a lot of phones so you wouldn't lose it when you needed it for restoring an image to your computer.

    I do often store an image this way - now if the bootable restore program would recognise the phone as a USB device then that would be even simpler. Still Acronis at least recognises an external reader as an external drive.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I can boot from an SD Card when inserted in one of these, http://www.buyapi.ca/product/sd-mmc-card-reader/ Even a Micro SD when its in an adapter. SD cards can be made read only with the flick of a witch too. Like you posted, my laptop has a card reader but won't boot from it. Which is a real bummer.
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  3.    21 Jul 2015 #93

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I can boot from an SD Card when inserted in one of these, http://www.buyapi.ca/product/sd-mmc-card-reader/ Even a Micro SD when its in an adapter. SD cards can be made read only with the flick of a witch too. Like you posted, my laptop has a card reader but won't boot from it. Which is a real bummer.
    Hi there

    Does your computer recognise your PHONE as a USB boot device when inserted into a USB slot.
    In theory it SHOULD do (just as a SIMPLE device -- you don't need any special phone software such as DLNA or whatever if you only want the computer to think the phone is a USB device (probably see two Disks - internal memory and external micro sdhc card).

    I've only got an OLD computer to test this one --it doesn't recognise either the phone or the card reader unfortunately.

    Laptop recognises external card reader but not the Internal one for boot. A Phone seems to Hang the whole computer -- need to switch off completely and boot again !!!).

    Linux WILL boot from the internal SD reader --BUT it needs to start the Boot process from the HDD to load the driver from the boot mechanism (GRUB2) or something like a USB stick. This rather nullifies the usefulness of the internal reader as a boot device.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  4.    21 Jul 2015 #94
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    Ubuntu 14.04 LTS

    [QUOCan I reinstall Windows 10 on my computer after upgrading?



    Yes. Once you’ve upgraded to Windows 10 using the free upgrade offer, you will be able to reinstall, including a clean install, on the same device. You won’t need to purchase Windows 10 or go back to your prior version of Windows and upgrade again.



    You’ll also be able to create your own installation media like a USB drive or DVD, and use that to upgrade your device or reinstall after you’ve upgraded.TE=swarfega;282061]Attachment 24770

    If you’re one of those quaint people who still uses ‘physical media’ to install new versions of operating systems, Windows 10 could have a big shock in store for you: USB drives replacing the clunky old reinstallation DVDs of yore.

    this is from MS. They still give the option for DVD's

    Source
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  5.    21 Jul 2015 #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there

    Does your computer recognise your PHONE as a USB boot device when inserted into a USB slot.
    In theory it SHOULD do (just as a SIMPLE device -- you don't need any special phone software such as DLNA or whatever if you only want the computer to think the phone is a USB device (probably see two Disks - internal memory and external micro sdhc card).

    I've only got an OLD computer to test this one --it doesn't recognise either the phone or the card reader unfortunately.

    Laptop recognises external card reader but not the Internal one for boot. A Phone seems to Hang the whole computer -- need to switch off completely and boot again !!!).

    Linux WILL boot from the internal SD reader --BUT it needs to start the Boot process from the HDD to load the driver from the boot mechanism (GRUB2) or something like a USB stick. This rather nullifies the usefulness of the internal reader as a boot device.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I don't own a cell phone.
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  6.    21 Jul 2015 #96
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    Killing off the DVD is fine for folks with newer machines that can boot from USB and/or SD cards -- but I have some old Win7 machines that can't do either. And, when you consider that I can (today) buy a 100-pack of DVDs for $12, that makes them 12 cents each! That is a LOT cheaper than the $1.50 that same store wants to charge for their smallest USB card.
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  7.    21 Jul 2015 #97
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    On the other hand, more and more computers are shipping without DVD players and many don't include them when building new desktop. MBs from last 10 years at least have option to BOOT from USB. If they needed special interface like first CD players needed and didn't switch to SATA, they would already be gone the way of floppy and dodo. Many brands stopped making CD/DVDs and are more expensive when you find them.
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  8.    21 Jul 2015 #98

    You can buy 10 pack of USB sticks at fairly reasonable prices.
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  9.    22 Jul 2015 #99
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    Can't understand why a USB install would be painfully slow -- Simple Physics should tell you that a ROTATING piece of media will always be slower at any sensible speed than Solid state media with no moving parts in it.

    Even the POOREST quality USB stick will be a ;ot faster than a DVD. Create the install from an ISO image using RUFUS.

    The only exception could be if you've still got some hideously overloaded USB ports (probably using an unpowered Hub) which is still running USB version 1 -- I think any computer made in the last 12 - 15 years will be using USB2 as a minimum. USB2 was released in 2000 so unless your machine is REALLY old it will certainly have USB 2 ports.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I don't know. I just know that when I tried installing 8.1 via usb, it seemed super slow. I have usb 2.0. Maybe there were other factors, I dunno. Was using one of the two ports up front. The other wasn't being used. Was a pretty old USB stick though.

    Would a microUSB card work in a USB stick? I have one of those converters. I also have a sd card reader for it. I wouldn't mind trying to install via that. What's the best method/program to use to make an ISO bootable from usb? I'm not terribly good at doing that yet. Not even sure if my system is capable of booting from the reader, but I do know it can boot from USB.
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  10.    22 Jul 2015 #100
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    I can boot from an SD Card when inserted in one of these, http://www.buyapi.ca/product/sd-mmc-card-reader/ Even a Micro SD when its in an adapter. SD cards can be made read only with the flick of a witch too. I use diskpart to create my bootable thumb drives, others seem to prefer rufus. http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials...e-windows.html I use option two, works with SD cards too. My media is good for UEFI and legacy when done with diskpart.
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