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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,249
    Windows 10 IoT
       22 Jul 2015 #971

    Rocky said: View Post
    Yes, what list did you find my product code listed. I looked on several websites and several different lists and I couldn't find it. Of course I am not going to publish the whole thing here and now, but I felt compelled to show the last 5 characters so that somebody could figure out the riddle.
    Ask Superfly, he posted knowing what it was and having seen it listed somewhere else.
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  2. Joined : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,197
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240
       22 Jul 2015 #972

    Really, instead of a "pretend" real license agreement on build 10240, It should have a EULA that explicitly shows the rights of Insider and non-insider users of the OS build, down to the expiry clause, and even the date, that the build will reach notification and will finally expire.
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  3. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 15
    Windows 10
       22 Jul 2015 #973

    Superfly said: View Post
    Interesting... This is what Gabe has said all along - first time I come across a practical example...

    I did a clean install on a separate SSD after upgrading Win8.1 Pro on my HDD - hoping to get a new key, but nada.

    Do you mind downloading and posting a WDT screenshot like mine (NB: click on the key to mask it) - I'd like to check that you have 'the old type of activation (code 0x0) as opposed to mine.
    Well just to clarify something: When you do a clean install then you automatically are "logged out" of the insider programm. Doing this you will end up with a generic key.... So it does not make any sense, that you would get a new key after singing off of the insider program. But maybe something is going to change after the 29.07., who knows.
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  4. Joined : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
    Posts : 4,534
    OS X, Win 10
       22 Jul 2015 #974

    STEVAE said: View Post
    the thing is, IF this is a rtm candidate, it would act exactly like the rtm, so it would look like the rtm, and act like it. but that doesn't make it THE rtm. again, not saying definitively that it isn't, but there is NO official word from gabe and the team on this, so i will not believe it is, until there is. they have been very good at communicating everything else, why would they leave us in the dark about this? just isn't sensible. and it is easy enough to finalize by upgrade. so we will see soon enough. A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN 7 DAYS.
    . . .What? that is confusing as hell. . .how does a RTM look, and how does a RTM Act. . .
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  5. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,249
    Windows 10 IoT
       22 Jul 2015 #975

    FuturDreamz said: View Post
    In this thread it was previously mentioned that dropping from insider required a reboot and reverted from Pro to Home. In older OSs switching to a lower edition usually required a reinstallation. Microsoft cannot have computers shut off because a Pro subscription expired, but dropping to Home after a reboot would be acceptable.

    Not saying that Microsoft will sell Pro as a subscription, but it may be possible. Should still be sold alongside a permanent upgrade solution.
    I don't remember seeing any mention of it dropping from Pro to Home if you opt out. Rocky was running Home to begin with as far as I know. If you opt out you stay on what ever version your running at that time.
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  6. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,249
    Windows 10 IoT
       22 Jul 2015 #976

    Lee said: View Post
    . . .What? that is confusing as hell. . .how does a RTM look, and how does a RTM Act. . .
    I think he's referring to the no watermark, no expiry date, and no Prerelease notation on the system page, or anywhere else. That makes it look like a non insider build.
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  7.    22 Jul 2015 #977

    Fafhrd said: View Post
    Really, instead of a "pretend" real license agreement on build 10240, It should have a EULA that explicitly shows the rights of Insider and non-insider users of the OS build, down to the expiry clause, and even the date, that the build will reach notification and will finally expire.
    Exactly - normally EULA is determined by the key (OEM, Upgrade or whatever) it will be interesting to see how things will be handled going forward

    tumas04 said: View Post
    Well just to clarify something: When you do a clean install then you automatically are "logged out" of the insider programm. Doing this you will end up with a generic key.... So it does not make any sense, that you would get a new key after singing off of the insider program. But maybe something is going to change after the 29.07., who knows.
    I think the point is that as a non-MSA activated (Insider) install one would expect a key to tie up with the underlying activation, or so we would hope.

    BTW: per my and groze's discussion... here's my Win10 OEM activation (obviously w/ fake key) - just a 'proof of concept...'

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  8. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       22 Jul 2015 #978

    Superfly said: View Post
    Exactly - normally EULA is determined by the key (OEM, Upgrade or whatever) it will be interesting to see how things will be handled going forward

    I think the point is that as a non-MSA activated (Insider) install one would expect a key to tie up with the underlying activation, or so we would hope.

    BTW: per my and groze's discussion... here's my Win10 OEM activation (obviously w/ fake key) - just a 'proof of concept...'
    @Superfly

    Is there anyway Rocky could get the updates EULAs/licenses agreement he agreed to. It would be interesting to read it here.

    Rocky if you do find what you agreed to put in a code bracket, it will make it easier to read if the EULAs/licenses agreement is very long. That is if you want to do it.

    Oems manufactures can use slmgr to update and erase keys, so they could still even use build 10240 as RTM when insider may not be able to do that

    I am also concerned about another issue a dell liaison/mod brought up on his/her blog. That upgrading from an Oem slp will be fine and will activate. The issue will be getting an windows 10 iso and doing a clean install after the upgrade. It may not activate. I guess time will tell.
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  9. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 92
    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       22 Jul 2015 #979

    Could I upgrade my Windows 7 now with The DVD of 10240?
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  10. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,939
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       22 Jul 2015 #980

    Gary said: View Post
    Could I upgrade my Windows 7 now with The DVD of 10240?
    I would say,, Yes. but you can't do it via DVD. What I did was to put a copy of the ISO on a separate HDD or Partition than the OS, mounted it and then ran the setup to upgrade from win8.1 or in your case win7.
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