Windows 10: Windows 10 Build 10240 for PC is now available


  1. Posts : 14,403
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       02 Aug 2015 #1931

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Yes, it will surely help make 10 more popular for sure, but keeping in mind that Windows is already popular overall with 90% of global use. What they're really after is a bigger chunk of the mobile market. 10 as a platform including WinRT apps running across all devices being familiar no matter which device used. Purchase an app once > Run it on multiple devices. The OS and the apps are the future revenue they are seeking.

    IMO the press and IT Pros hammered Windows 8 into almost non existance due to an ill viewpoint of what WinRT is actually all about. Basically stating that a Modern phone UI has no business on a desktop PC and that it is not intuitive. Most of the world listened to them. Well, firstly yes you do need it if you want it to be familiar across all devices, which is an MS objective to gain more of the mobile market of which the "other two" are dominating. Secondly it is intuitive more so than the old once it's learned. Users are so enamored with the old Windows that they think it's so difficult to change to a new way. IMO it's not all that difficult as they made it out to be. It was all psychological propoganda so far as I'm concerned.
    One of the absolutely main mistakes Microsoft made, compliments of Sinofsky, is that they eliminated about 75% (WAG) of the ordinary, regular Joe Sixpack beta testers from the beta of Windows 8. Look at the success of Windows 7 and then at the non-success of Windows 8. We Windows 7 BTs were listened to (for the most part) and our bugs were worked. We weren't allowed to even get a smell of Windows 8 until the public preview, which everyone knows is the final product sans a few final touches. When an operating system is beta tested, it takes all of the different aspects of end users to make it work. When you cut out a large segment of the population who are willing to test, you do yourself a disservice.

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    On the other hand Balmer and Synofski pushed 8 out the door to quickly with the radical changes. If they would've placed the option to boot to desktop (familiarity of the old) as they corrected in 8.1 the situation would have been much, much better, but it was too late. The damage done. The reputation tarnished. So out with the old regine and in with the new. Now they have a new regime under the direction of Satya Nadella and also a new chairman of the board. Nadella seems to have kept an open mind, took great thought on how to remedy the situation, created the Insider Program, issued a build that boots to a desktop, but keeping their main objective in mind by creating tablet mode. Quite ingenious IMO. Now we basically have a Windows 8.1 with training wheels.
    Hindsight is always better than 20/20. However it came about that Sinofsky was promoted to "god status", he took the new title into his greasy palms and ruined it for the majority of end users. Had he not "fired" most of Microsoft's loyal beta testers, things would have turned out much better than they did. Some of those fellow Windows 7 BTs are now quite high on the journalism ladder of technology magazines, blogs, help sites and technical tomes.

    Can you imagine what would have happened with Windows 8 if the Insider Program had been initiated at the time Windows 8 started to be tested? With those same journalists and authors mentioned above, I'd hazard a guess that the final product would have become a much better Windows 8. And, I'd even bet the journalists would have had a much better outlook on the final product.

    HippsieGypsie said: View Post
    Yes, the MS got the 10 train heading down the tracks and it's gaining quite sufficient speed. The press seems to give it fair reviews, which is what enterprise will listen to most along with their IT Pros. Perhaps now they will also advise in favor of 10.
    Uh huh . . . makes a huge difference when you invite the public to the party too.
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  2. Posts : 8,212
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       02 Aug 2015 #1932

    Tonyb said: View Post
    Its got vista business on it HP told me they would send me a copy of win 8.1 if i ever needed it for free should i go that route? and then install win 10 on it they would send me the business copy of win 8.1 so what version of win 10 would that be?.
    I don't believe there is an 8.1 business edition. As far as I am aware, there is 8.1, 8.1 Pro and 8.1 Enterprise. If it is enterprise, I believe I saw Terry Myerson say Enterprise editions were not eligible for the free upgrade. Having said that, I have 7 Enterprise and it has the GWX icon on it, but I'm keeping it. But, it says I can upgrade.
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  3. Posts : 14,403
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       02 Aug 2015 #1933

    Joan Archer said: View Post
    Also it's possible the machine will not be able to upgrade. My Windows 7 Ultimate desktop cannot be upgraded to 10 as it originally came with Vista and the CPU is not supported.
    Yep, I had one of those, Joan. I had Windows 8 x64 installed on it and when it came to the Windows 8.1 update, it wouldn't install; however, I dropped back to 32 bit and it installed quite handily.

    There are soooooooooo many different things to take into account when upgrading.
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  4. Posts : 8,212
    Windows 10 Enterprise and Pro/Windows 7 Enterprise/Linux Mint
       02 Aug 2015 #1934

    I have an old laptop with a T2390 CPU and it upgraded fine to 10 X64.
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  5.    02 Aug 2015 #1935

    MrQueely said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie & Kari , Most astute observations of real life in the Microsoft world that I have heard (read) publicly expressed.

    In myself it does not encourage piracy. I would rather have a boxed version of any OS (except Linux) that I am running.

    Your posts are keenly appreciated.
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  6.    02 Aug 2015 #1936

    Mustang said: View Post
    I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression, but the call and service cost nothing.

    The cost was for a proposed safety service to stop the problem recurring.

    It occurred to me afterwards that what he may have detected as my data being hacked from my ISP Bigpond, was a service I set up recently with Bigpond called Telstra Air. This service allows me or my sons to access my Bigpond data from any Telstra public phone or FON hotspot by connecting to the hotspot via a mobile phone. It requires my ADSL2 modem on my landline at home to be turned on.

    That saves myself and sons from using our data on our mobile phone plans.

    This is a link to the MS web site where I got the Media Creation Win 10 download link.

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...load/windows10

    I finally got the upgrade loaded onto my computer with Win 8.1 installed on it, but only with a bit of manipulation.

    I installed a backup image of bare bones installation of Win8.1, and that failed. So I changed the product key to my original Win8 key. And then ran the ISO DVD from the desktop optical drive.

    Before it started it offed to download updates, and I skipped this step. It then loaded straight off. Not sure if it was the changed product key or skipping the updates that fixed the problem.

    It's interesting but that's twice I've rung tech support for MS and Telstra respectively, using bona fide contact support phone Nos. Both times I got an off shore tech support guy and they were either from the Phillipines or India maybe?

    The Telstra techo suggested I subscribe to an annual service to block hackers, which would be added to my monthly phone account. I declined and next day phoned Telstra in Aussie and spoke to an Aussie techo. He said the other guy was wrong and all I needed to do was switch my modem off for 10 seconds, then back on again to get a new IP address as mine is dynamic. Apparently by leaving my modem on and not being used for long periods of time, the Bigpond ISP system detected it as being vulnerable to attack, and blocked me receiving emails from my Yahoo mail address.
    Ok, that is the official site. So the number you were prompted to call came up on screen when your upgrade failed? Or you Googled the error message and came by it that way?
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  7.    02 Aug 2015 #1937

    MrQueely said: View Post
    HippsieGypsie & Kari , Most astute observations of real life in the Microsoft world that I have heard (read) publicly expressed.

    In myself it does not encourage piracy. I would rather have a boxed version of any OS (except Linux) that I am running.

    Your posts are keenly appreciated.
    Agree MrQueely: HippsieGypsie & Kari - right on, in line with my thinking, and most appreciated!
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  8.    02 Aug 2015 #1938

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Ok, that is the official site. So the number you were prompted to call came up on screen when your upgrade failed? Or you Googled the error message and came by it that way?
    The same numbers appeared every time the upgrade failed, with the blue installation circle on approx 75%. It was in a blue window similar to the one when you first start the upgrade, and it also contained the following error message:

    "The installation failed in the second boot phase with an error during the boot operation."

    And with the error code: 0xC1900101-0x40017

    The Win Live Techo I spoke to was named Alfonso. The phone numbers I showed are exactly as you would dial them if in Aussie. Any No in Oz starting with 1800 is a free call.
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  9.    02 Aug 2015 #1939

    Mustang said: View Post
    The same numbers appeared every time the upgrade failed, with the blue installation circle on approx 75%. It was in a blue window similar to the one when you first start the upgrade, and it also contained the following error message:

    "The installation failed in the second boot phase with an error during the boot operation."

    And with the error code: 0xC1900101-0x40017

    The Win Live Techo I spoke to was named Alfonso. The phone numbers I showed are exactly as you would dial them if in Aussie. Any No in Oz starting with 1800 is a free call.
    OK? I not sure what to think about it now?
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    Dual boot: Windows 10 Home Insider Build 16179 & W8.1 Pro x64 with Media Center
       02 Aug 2015 #1940

    Wynona said: View Post
    One of the absolutely main mistakes Microsoft made, compliments of Sinofsky, is that they eliminated about 75% (WAG) of the ordinary, regular Joe Sixpack beta testers from the beta of Windows 8. Look at the success of Windows 7 and then at the non-success of Windows 8. We Windows 7 BTs were listened to (for the most part) and our bugs were worked. We weren't allowed to even get a smell of Windows 8 until the public preview, which everyone knows is the final product sans a few final touches. When an operating system is beta tested, it takes all of the different aspects of end users to make it work. When you cut out a large segment of the population who are willing to test, you do yourself a disservice.

    Hindsight is always better than 20/20. However it came about that Sinofsky was promoted to "god status", he took the new title into his greasy palms and ruined it for the majority of end users. Had he not "fired" most of Microsoft's loyal beta testers, things would have turned out much better than they did. Some of those fellow Windows 7 BTs are now quite high on the journalism ladder of technology magazines, blogs, help sites and technical tomes.

    Can you imagine what would have happened with Windows 8 if the Insider Program had been initiated at the time Windows 8 started to be tested? With those same journalists and authors mentioned above, I'd hazard a guess that the final product would have become a much better Windows 8. And, I'd even bet the journalists would have had a much better outlook on the final product.

    Uh huh . . . makes a huge difference when you invite the public to the party too.
    If what you are saying about those in the press is true, of which I don't doubt, no wonder they had it out for 8. It seems to me they simply didn't get it their way.

    Quite honestly, Wyn, I've read this tone of post from you before. This is not meant to be demeaning in any way. I know you shoot from the hip with an honest viewpoint, but I sense some bitterness against Sinofsky, whom, BTW, I admire greatly. That is not neither here nor there, but I find him to be a rather creative genius > One of whom created touch feature in W7 for PC, pad, and phone (much more if one looks at his career with MS). Also created WinRT for the 8 series, which has been expanded more so in 10. It may not look like it to the eye upon 1st boot at first, but it is there and even more so than in 8.1. This is why I refer to it as W8.1 with training wheels.

    Back to the subject at hand. Let's try to put our feet in Sinofski's shoes at that time. #1 concern of any company is future markets entailing either upgrading/modernizing a product and/or introduce a new product(s) to satisfy that market. IOW chasing the bull. The bull that MS knew they had to chase is the mobile market. I'm quite sure they foresaw the decline of the PC and the rise of mobile devices in which the "other two" dominate. Sinofski and his team met that call and perhaps meeting a deadline demanded of them. Perhaps they (you state fired) didn't ask for beta testers and tried a different approach. Perhaps they released the W8 preview of which a lot of us previewed on 8F and they read not only 8F, but also feedback on other forums as well. Perhaps they cut out the beta test program to save revenue. I'm quite sure they got a lot of feedback from a lot of different departments in house. Any which way, yes, hindsight is indeed better than 20/20. We all know the end result. MS simply read the sale numbers on 8/8.1and took a step back just as with Vista. Nothing new really.

    IMO, although good for minor tweaks and catching bugs, the Insider program was, for the most part, a smoke screen. They laid out the basic footprint with the first build which is booting to the infamous Desktop screen for familiarity, reintroduced a new style WinRT Start menu which is nothing but a Start screen/ All apps combo that looks similar to the one in 7 (again somewhat familiar), added a new feature of virtual desktops with Task view, threw in some more features carried over from the phone such as Cortana and Notifications via the new Action Center, added the Tablet mode which makes it look and feel very similar to 8.1, and upgraded the preinstalled Store apps to look very much more professional looking. Nothing basically had changed from the basic footprint of the first build. I ask you then what good was the insider program other than basically in aiding where to place the Power, All apps, Settings, and File Explorer buttons? And as usual a variety of PC types to run on so as to catch bugs. That's really nothing new.

    All in all, Windows 10 is the OS envisioned by MS to hopefully capture more of the mobile market along with satisfying the "desktop conservatives" which would've been their "next OS" anyway. It had to come sooner or later. As 10 progresses there will be more Win32 cut out and more WinRT to replace it. Sooner or later the desktop as we know it will be replaced also. It's just a matter of time.

    MS must have it their way or die off leaving the "other two" to bury it.
    Last edited by HippsieGypsie; 03 Aug 2015 at 03:30.
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