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  1.    23 Apr 2017 #181
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fafhrd View Post
    Testing a new IP build on those commonly available VM systems, especially Microsoft's own Hyper-V, is something that must happen in the MS Windows development labs hundreds if not thousands of times before the next new build is released to the general mass of those on the Insider Program, and that is probably why Kari can guarantee that an upgrade performed in a VM will work.

    However, IMO, that is not what the Insider Program is really about - repeating the work already carried out.

    I feel that it should be a test on a sample of the general population of machines, old, new, perfect and faulty, overclocked and underspecified, warts and all, and definitely never likely to be seen anywhere near the Microsoft Windows development labs, and not on a batch of behave-alike virtual machines with a small range of virtual components and devices that only exist in the VMs themselves.
    Good points and insights you share with us in this post! Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16179 PC + 15205 Mobile

    Although I use VM to test IP's (and get the ISO) I agree with you that for real testing of an IP OS, a bare-metal system is of course the best way to test for the feedback-hub!

    Yes I agree, in a VM only the virtual drivers for the hardware are tested - over and over again - but yet again I choose to do so. As I don't have a spare machine yet for bare-metal testing - will be reviving an old Mac Pro 3.1 (2008) for that purpose - I find it very convenient to test drive Windows IP's in a VM while working on my projects in macOS on the same flight!

    Cheers
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  2.    23 Apr 2017 #182
    Join Date : Oct 2014
    Posts : 2,457
    W10 Pro + W10 Preview

    Have never made an ISO using ESD or UUP, in the W10 Insider programme.
    Nor have I felt the need to use a VM.
    Each Update has been installed without any of the problems faced by many members, only problem encountered was a wait of three days on one Update.
    Once installed of course bugs revealed themselves, as can be seen on my attachment, but that was expected, isn't this what Insider is all about.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails feedback.JPG  
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  3.    23 Apr 2017 #183
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    W10 Pro + W10 Preview

    I note others are having problems with Windows Mail.....mine works flawlessly.
    Such a blessing to see all Mail together (4 accounts) without having to ponce about looking up each one individually.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails accounts.jpg  
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  4.    23 Apr 2017 #184
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
    Posts : 10,427
    W10 Insider + Linux

    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    I note others are having problems with Windows Mail.....mine works flawlessly.
    Such a blessing to see all Mail together (4 accounts) without having to ponce about looking up each one individually.
    As a precaution I have only 2 E-mail accounts connected thru Mail APP but it always worked.
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  5.    23 Apr 2017 #185
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    As a precaution I have only 2 E-mail accounts connected thru Mail APP but it always worked.
    Why the precaution?
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  6.    23 Apr 2017 #186
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
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    W10 Insider + Linux

    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Why the precaution?
    By connected I mean hotmail and gmail accounts can send each others messages like security codes and account retrieval messages. All other e-mail accounts are exclusively browser based and don't store anything on the computer. Same two are same way connected on the Lumia W10 phone. Other E-mail agent is Outlook 2013 and is set same way as Mail APP.
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  7.    23 Apr 2017 #187
    Join Date : Dec 2015
    Posts : 5,893
    Windows10

    Quote Originally Posted by M4v3r1ck View Post
    Good points and insights you share with us in this post! Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 16179 PC + 15205 Mobile

    Although I use VM to test IP's (and get the ISO) I agree with you that for real testing of an IP OS, a bare-metal system is of course the best way to test for the feedback-hub!

    Yes I agree, in a VM only the virtual drivers for the hardware are tested - over and over again - but yet again I choose to do so. As I don't have a spare machine yet for bare-metal testing - will be reviving an old Mac Pro 3.1 (2008) for that purpose - I find it very convenient to test drive Windows IP's in a VM while working on my projects in macOS on the same flight!

    Cheers
    A very good way to run Insider versions with low risk to main PC is to install it on a bootable usb3 external hard drive or flash drive (32GB min) using tool like wintousb. You can set the internal drives to be offline if you wish as well.
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  8.    23 Apr 2017 #188
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Portsmouth Hampshire
    Posts : 1,829
    Windows 10 x86 14383 Insider Pro and Core 10240

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    A very good way to run Insider versions with low risk to main PC is to install it on a bootable usb3 external hard drive or flash drive (32GB min) using tool like wintousb. You can set the internal drives to be offline if you wish as well.
    But can you upgrade to the next IP build in a portable Windows OS installation, and will it be able to receive updates?
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  9.    23 Apr 2017 #189
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    By connected I mean hotmail and gmail accounts can send each others messages like security codes and account retrieval messages. All other e-mail accounts are exclusively browser based and don't store anything on the computer. Same two are same way connected on the Lumia W10 phone. Other E-mail agent is Outlook 2013 and is set same way as Mail APP.
    Windows Mail is not browser based.
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  10.    23 Apr 2017 #190
    Join Date : Jul 2014
    Serbia
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    W10 Insider + Linux

    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    Windows Mail is not browser based.
    Of course not, I never said it was.
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