Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15063 for PC and Mobile Insider

Kari said:

To some extent it is a "pimped" WIndows RT. However, the main difference is that whereas Windows RT could only be used on ARM architecture, Windows Cloud will work on any x86 / x64 machine. When not enough, user can upgrade it to full version. That was not possible with RT.

Yes, and Windows One Core makes all this possible.

I have no use of Windows Cloud, even on a tablet...I need native apps on Windows. If I just want to surf the web, I use Android combined with all Google services (and yes I can run native ELF binaries on Android too if I want/need to).

Only reason I don't own a Windows phone, is because it gives me no what so ever kicks. It's rather a turn off for me. The UI and navigation makes no sense and there's not much I can do on those devices. Makes me sad.

Same goes with UWP Apps. Most of them I have no use of. Even Settings app is not what I would like it to be.

Kari said:

I had a feeling I had overlooked something in my short Windows 10 Cloud test, had to reinstall it now on a VM to see if what I said earlier really is true.

I found out now that I've had a really serious Darwin Awards moment when testing it; apparently I didn't even try native Windows 10 Win32 apps only "deciding" that as they are Win32 they will not work.

I was wrong.

The reinstall now revealed that all native Win32 apps will work in Windows 10 Cloud. In screenshot Windows 10 Cloud, Device Manager opened in background as an example. In the foreground the message you will get when trying to install or run any third party Win32 app, in this example case I downloaded VLC Player installer and am trying to run it:

Attachment 127088

My sincere apologies for giving wrong information.

Kari

Where can I find it, would like to try in a VM ? Or it sounds like it may work on my old laptop instead of XP.

Kari said:

I had a feeling I had overlooked something in my short Windows 10 Cloud test, had to reinstall it now on a VM to see if what I said earlier really is true.

I found out now that I've had a really serious Darwin Awards moment when testing it; apparently I didn't even try native Windows 10 Win32 apps only "deciding" that as they are Win32 they will not work.

I was wrong.

The reinstall now revealed that all native Win32 apps will work in Windows 10 Cloud. In screenshot Windows 10 Cloud, Device Manager opened in background as an example. In the foreground the message you will get when trying to install or run any third party Win32 app, in this example case I downloaded VLC Player installer and am trying to run it:

Attachment 127088

My sincere apologies for giving wrong information.

Kari

My first Mentor as a graduate taught me a valuable thing.

Never ASSUME anything.

If you get it wrong, it can make an

ASS of U And ME !

Kari said:

I had a feeling I had overlooked something in my short Windows 10 Cloud test, had to reinstall it now on a VM to see if what I said earlier really is true.

I found out now that I've had a really serious Darwin Awards moment when testing it; apparently I didn't even try native Windows 10 Win32 apps only "deciding" that as they are Win32 they will not work.

I was wrong.

The reinstall now revealed that all native Win32 apps will work in Windows 10 Cloud. In screenshot Windows 10 Cloud, Device Manager opened in background as an example. In the foreground the message you will get when trying to install or run any third party Win32 app, in this example case I downloaded VLC Player installer and am trying to run it:

Attachment 127088

My sincere apologies for giving wrong information.

Kari

I wonder if Win32 portable Apps would run.

cereberus said:

My first Mentor as a graduate taught me a valuable thing.

Never ASSUME anything.

If you get it wrong, it can make an

ASS of U And ME !

It's just that I am one of those arrogant "advanced users" who quite often post something like "check the facts before posting". To increase my shame I had to do an advanced forums search for words "check the facts" in my posts, got 9 hits.

kado897 said:

I wonder if Win32 portable Apps would run.

I doubt it, have not tried.

kado897 said:

I wonder if Win32 portable Apps would run.

Kari said:

It's just that I am one of those arrogant "advanced users" who quite often post something like "check the facts before posting". To increase my shame I had to do an advanced forums search for words "check the facts" in my posts, got 9 hits.




I doubt it, have not tried.

Think that Project Centennial is intended for porting old application to Windows store, and hence to be able to run on Cloud

Kari said:

It's just that I am one of those arrogant "advanced users" who quite often post something like "check the facts before posting". To increase my shame I had to do an advanced forums search for words "check the facts" in my posts, got 9 hits.

Hey - nobody is perfect or else instead of being Tenforum's "Chief Guru", you would be elevated to Tenforum's "Chief God" .

Actually, I am a little confused by your previous post, as the error message seems to contradict what you are now saying.

Are you saying :

1) Win32 apps can run - message implies opposite

2) Win32 apps can run but you will get an irritating message

3) Win32 aps can run but need to be modied to handle Cloud version.

I am also a bit confused what the Cloud version actually is - is it basically using Onedrive as the storage media for apps etc? I could see this as a possible competitor with Chromebooks etc.

cereberus said:

I am also a bit confused what the Cloud version actually is - is it basically using Onedrive as the storage media for apps etc? I could see this as a possible competitor with Chromebooks etc.

I think @Kari said already what it is...

Windows Cloud is meant to run UWP apps only. UWP apps are Cloud connected apps, hence the name Windows Cloud.
Most UWP apps, as intended to be, are pretty much useless without Internet and connection to the cloud. A Cloud application is something that get's its data from the Cloud, and most data is processed in the Cloud, the application is only supposed to display that final information/data locally.

Examples:

1. Mail - Is a cloud app - Data is stored on the mail server, only a fraction(latest) of the mails are retrieved locally for displaying to the user.
2. Calendar - Is a cloud app - All appointments and other schedules are stored in the cloud (but can be stored locally too)
3. Weather App - is a cloud app - All weather information is stored in the cloud, and the app only retrieves the relevant information to the user and displays that in appropriate format.
4. One Drive - is a cloud service - Everything is stored in the cloud and some data can be stored locally for convenience.
5. ... ... and the list goes on and on ... ... ...

VLC Media Player as UWP, is NOT a cloud app but could be, it is only using UWP container so it can be run on any device.
Calculator, is NOT a cloud app but is a UWP-App, you don't need internet in order to run it and do what is supposed to do with calculators.

Basically a Cloud OS means that every hardcore calculations and data processing are executed in the cloud and the cloud exposes those calculations and the data as services to cloud connected apps, which in turn displays the information.

What UPW does is that it exposes and defines specific interfaces/APIs that each UWP app should use. They don't have to use them all, but what this means is from a programmers perspective, is that you can have one code base that runs on any device of any size, architecture and form factor, and the UWP does all the hard work of data and protocol conversion for you.

YES, Windows Cloud could be compared to Chrome OS

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the best part about a Cloud OS is that you can continue your work on any device, anywhere in the world. Most tasks can be done even in any web-browser.