Windows 10: Microsoft locks Ryzen and Kaby Lake users out of updates on Windows 7

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  1.    22 Mar 2017 #80

    Windows 7 is as far as drivers go from ASUS for my old in the tooth M2N68 and M4N68 desktop motherboards. And my ASUS K75DE laptop pretty well stops at Windows 8.0, which is what it shipped with from the factory. There are a few Windows 8.1 drivers but no Windows 10 drivers for it, nada. I can get everything I need via Windows update though for all of them to run Windows 10 with no issues. ASUS like a lot of OEM's would rather you buy new than upgrade the OS on older hardware.
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  2.    22 Mar 2017 #81

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    In your case turning things off makes sense but to the majority of users it sure doesn't so Win10 isn't crippled. And yes... it is my opinion but you keep saying that MS should keep the updates going for the new chips but they don't have to and unless some court rules otherwise they will not.

    In my case, I've not gone through the tin hat brigade of disabling everything under the sun on the OS. Just basically let it run as is. Sure I've a few privacy settings turned off here and there, but most of the stuff I don't use anyway - camera, Mic. And even though I don't use Cortana, I've not gone through any drastic measures of disabling it. I simply don't use it. As I said, basically Windows 10 out the box. That's me.

    And in closing you seem to miss the key point. When you get a Ryzen processor you have to get a new motherboard because the AM4 socket is new and you can't just plug that processor into an existing motherboard you may have lying around. Those two items with the cost of the current hardware available will run about 400 bucks and then you may have to add RAM.

    I've NOT missed the key point seeing I just built a Skylake system less than an year ago, moving from a Haswell system - meaning.... new CPU, MB, RAM. I'm quite aware of the upgrade route, and cost. I do this every 3-4 years. In fact I budget for it

    With that investment into a performance rig it only makes sense to get a new OS for it.

    You might think so. I certainly dumped 7 for 8 when I moved to Haswell. That's me. Others find 7 more comfortable to them. What's so wrong about that?

    (My reply in red above.)

    Anyway I'm in no way saying people shouldn't move to Windows 10 if they're going to run new hardware, especially where a new MB and CPU is concerned. Windows 10 is certainly suited for the new hardware, and I'm saying that. I certainly believe Windows 10 to be the superior OS.

    My point is Microsoft cannot suddenly undo a compatible OS for the hardware that's out simply to force people on their latest OS because the usage numbers aren't there. And this is precisely what MS is doing and, and continues to do in a myriad of ways.

    Again, MS promised to support the OS to EOL. Do it, and lay off the "forced" upgrade shenanigans.
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  3.    22 Mar 2017 #82

    CPU support, NOT driver support.


    CountMike said: View Post
    I was just checking at AMD site for chipset drivers and for Ryzen platform there are drivers only for W10, no others. Not even HW manufacturers are interested in keeping up with older OSs. They know well that their HW will not perform at it's best in W7 and earlier.
    For clarity, we're (I'm) not arguing over driver support per se here. We're specifically talking about CPU (Ryzen and Kaby lake) support as titled in the thread. Driver support is a whole new ball game and takes a completely different route.
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  4.    22 Mar 2017 #83

    sygnus21 said: View Post


    (My reply in red above.)

    Anyway I'm in no way saying people shouldn't move to Windows 10 if they're going to run new hardware, especially where a new MB and CPU is concerned. Windows 10 is certainly suited for the new hardware, and I'm saying that. I certainly believe Windows 10 to be the superior OS.

    My point is Microsoft cannot suddenly undo a compatible OS for the hardware that's out simply to force people on their latest OS because the usage numbers aren't there. And this is precisely what MS is doing and, and continues to do in a myriad of ways.

    Again, MS promised to support the OS to EOL. Do it, and lay off the "forced" upgrade shenanigans.
    Well, it's not really so sudden. When Skylake was announced it was not supposed to have W7 support, only after big noise that was suspended. Ryzen (Zen at that time) wasn't supposed to be 100% compatible with W7 either. MS maybe just expediting the process but even that doesn't mean it wouldn't work, just updates may be i jeopardy and suddenly people that were so much against "forced" updates are crying foul.
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  5.    22 Mar 2017 #84

    sygnus21 said: View Post
    For clarity, we're (I'm) not arguing over driver support per se here. We're specifically talking about CPU (Ryzen and Kaby lake) support as titled in the thread. Driver support is a whole new ball game and takes a completely different route.
    Drivers are even much higher priority than some windows updates. Without them there will be no support (or at least greatly reduced) usability.
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  6.    22 Mar 2017 #85

    CountMike said: View Post
    Drivers are even much higher priority than some windows updates. Without them there will be no support (or at least greatly reduced) usability.
    Not trying to be funny but you seem to be missing the point of the titled thread - CPU processors. NOT drivers.

    And we're well aware of the importance of drivers. This is NOT what we're talking about, nor are they the point of conversation.
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  7.    22 Mar 2017 #86

    sygnus21 said: View Post
    Not trying to be funny but you seem to be missing the point of the titled thread - CPU processors. NOT drivers.

    And we're well aware of the importance of drivers. This is NOT what we're talking about, nor are they the point of conversation.
    CPUs go with whole platform, MB, chipset, BIOS and whole kitten caboodle and those parts as well as CPU itself need drivers to work. No drivers, no work, no need to update OS other than to support all of that. Regular updates to OS are very small part and hindrance. I haven't updated my W7 at least 3 years and it's still working.
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  8.    22 Mar 2017 #87

    The policy change not only makes Microsoft's hardware partners happy they no longer are on the hook to develop as many costly software updates for past versions of Windows, but it also helps Microsoft push adoption of Windows 10. The company sees the operating system as the "final" version of Windows; it's now a service, not a product, and this change better reflects that. There's only one current version of Windows, and while Microsoft will fulfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest.
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  •    22 Mar 2017 #88

    DeclanT said: View Post
    The policy change not only makes Microsoft's hardware partners happy they no longer are on the hook to develop as many costly software updates for past versions of Windows, but it also helps Microsoft push adoption of Windows 10. The company sees the operating system as the "final" version of Windows; it's now a service, not a product, and this change better reflects that. There's only one current version of Windows, and while Microsoft will fulfill its legacy hardware obligations, it won't be expending resources to help users steer clear of its latest and greatest.
    When were hardware partners ever on the hook to develop software updates for past versions of Windows? As far as I know they aren't obligated to develop drivers for any particular OS. Its all voluntary on their part. And from what I can see, as soon as a new OS is released most move their resources on to it.
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  •    22 Mar 2017 #89

    sygnus21 said: View Post
    Not trying to be funny but you seem to be missing the point of the titled thread - CPU processors. NOT drivers.

    And we're well aware of the importance of drivers. This is NOT what we're talking about, nor are they the point of conversation.
    Aren't drivers the connection between hardware and the OS?
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