Windows 10: Microsoft locks Ryzen and Kaby Lake users out of updates on Windows 7

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  1.    18 Mar 2017 #10

    This is just wrong on every level.
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  2.    19 Mar 2017 #11

    My take,,, FWIW.. as usual.. YMMV... as usual

    1. MS has zero obligation to support 7/8.1 on the new chips from Intel/AMD. It sure would be nice but they don't have to do it.

    2 If you or anyone is going to go through the process of getting say a Ryzan processor I would think that having the latest OS would go along with the upgrade to make the most out of the processor. No? I would for certain. There's no point in using an outdate OS on a top processor. To me the difference in the two(Win 7) and 10 are significate enough to justify the upgrade.

    3 I understand it's likely going to cost most people around 200+ to get the pro copy but heck.. I think it's worth it and it might just be worth it for some of those upgraders to use the Home version.

    4 I thought we already knew this when it came to the latest Intel chips? Wasn't this a topic last year when MS announced it wouldn't support the latest Intel chips with 7/8.1? I could swear it was. Correct me if I'm mistaken on this.

    I would love to see MS continue to support 7/8.1 on the newer chips but heck.. this is now written in stone.
    Just my 2c..
    Last edited by BunnyJ; 19 Mar 2017 at 08:50.
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  3.    19 Mar 2017 #12

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  4.    19 Mar 2017 #13

    Although likely not ideal, if you absolutely have to run Windows 7 on that hardware. I would think running it in a VM is still an option?
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  5.    19 Mar 2017 #14

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Right.. previous generation hardware not the new hardware that comes out. So it's more than a bit of a loop hole it's something that MS put in there for situations like this. That's why they pay lawyers that much.

    Win7 users have nothing to complain about since they did stop support in 2015. Sucks but MS like any other company will stop supporting products after a period of time. You can't expect them to spend the money to support an OS on a new processor when the revenue it will generate will not cover the aforementioned costs. No one would do that in any business, period.
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  6.    19 Mar 2017 #15

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Although likely not ideal, if you absolutely have to run Windows 7 on that hardware. I would think running it in a VM is still an option?
    True,, or you can run it on the hardware you got it on. That way if MS does supply updates you would get them. This only effects the latest processors.
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       19 Mar 2017 #16

    Microsoft has been working very closely with Intel on the latest 7th Gen Kaby Lake chips and future ones, for security support through BIOS/UEFI, for things like SGX(Software Guard Extensions), TPM 2.0, Virtualization for Device Guard, and the list goes on. BUT..... You also need a motherboard and UEFI that supports it.
    Newer chips don't make any sense for a WIN7 or Win8 PC, when their BIOS cannot use these. Some of the older K SKU processors can overclock past the Kaby series even. So why waste the money?
    With a Kaby on win 7, you cannot use 4K or 8K monitors, or you don't have Edge, so you cannot view Netflix in 4K either.
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  8.    19 Mar 2017 #17

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Although likely not ideal, if you absolutely have to run Windows 7 on that hardware. I would think running it in a VM is still an option?
    I don't thinks so. The Hypervisor exposes the CPU to the guest.

    You'd have to use emulation not virtualization - something like BOCHS x86 PC emulator which would be rather too slow to be useful.
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  •    19 Mar 2017 #18

    Cliff S said: View Post
    Microsoft has been working very closely with Intel on the latest 7th Gen Kaby Lake chips and future ones, for security support through BIOS/UEFI, for things like SGX(Software Guard Extensions), TPM 2.0, Virtualization for Device Guard, and the list goes on. BUT..... You also need a motherboard and UEFI that supports it.
    Newer chips don't make any sense for a WIN7 or Win8 PC, when their BIOS cannot use these. Some of the older K SKU processors can overclock past the Kaby series even. So why waste the money?
    With a Kaby on win 7, you cannot use 4K or 8K monitors, or you don't have Edge, so you cannot view Netflix in 4K either.
    Totally agree. There is no logic in getting a high end processor and then slap on an older OS on it.
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       19 Mar 2017 #19

    Annnnnd....
    One more thing:

    If the have pro retail Window 7 or 8.1 retail keys, and seriously want an OS that supports the new hardware....
    All the need to do is......


    Install Win10, and give the Pro key in when asked during the install, it still works, at least did for me a short time ago.
    No tricks or gimmicks used, like saying I need ease of access stuff or any other lying crap. I just gave the Pro key in during installation and I was activated.
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