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  1.    09 Mar 2017 #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobad View Post
    Absolutely right, I love competition. Intel has been well ahead, and all they have to do is lay back and counter punch. If Ryzen is really good, AMD will force them to fight harder. Intel will soon wake up and re-take the lead in price/performance.
    Well, Intel's tick or tock is not coming until next year at least. I hear they are having problems wit 10 nano-meter tech which is their next goal.
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  2.    09 Mar 2017 #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Well, Intel's tick or tock is not coming until next year at least. I hear they are having problems wit 10 nano-meter tech which is their next goal.
    Mike, I guess you missed this. Intel will release 8th-gen Coffee Lake chips this year - still 14nm

    To be released in the 2nd half of this year
    at least 1 6 Core chip for mainstream platform
    a 15% increase over Kaby Lake.
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  3.    09 Mar 2017 #143
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    Intel seems very anti-progression when it comes to the consumer market and very quick to decide what they think people should have.

    Before AMD launched the athlon64 lineup, Intel claimed that there was no benefit to adding 64-bit capability. Now they've been reluctant to launch anything affordable with more than 4 cores. AMD will once again show them the way, even if they're not going to be the best as they were in the Athlon64 era.

    I can't help but wonder what the CPU market would be like if Nvidia or some other company could produce x86 CPUs.
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  4.    09 Mar 2017 #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Before AMD launched the athlon64 lineup, Intel claimed that there was no benefit to adding 64-bit capability. Now they've been reluctant to launch anything affordable with more than 4 cores. AMD will once again show them the way, even if they're not going to be the best as they were in the Athlon64 era.
    Well I've always felt tech firms could put out more than they do. But why run the well dry quickly when you can gain more by slow dripping. In this instance AMD is merely forcing Intel to put out more sooner rather than later.
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  5.    09 Mar 2017 #145
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Before AMD launched the athlon64 lineup, Intel claimed that there was no benefit to adding 64-bit capability. Now they've been reluctant to launch anything affordable with more than 4 cores. AMD will once again show them the way, even if they're not going to be the best as they were in the Athlon64 era.
    That's not totally true. A Kaby Lake i7-7700K cost $349 A 6 core i7-6800K cost $400. That's not an unreasonable difference in a 4 core and a 6 core CPU.
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  6.    09 Mar 2017 #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    Before AMD launched the athlon64 lineup, Intel claimed that there was no benefit to adding 64-bit capability. Now they've been reluctant to launch anything affordable with more than 4 cores. AMD will once again show them the way, even if they're not going to be the best as they were in the Athlon64 era.
    To be fair, there really was no benefit to 64-bit at the time. There were no OS's that could take advantage of it, and memory was significantly more expensive. Getting more than 4GB was out of reach of most people. Intel had the Itanium which was 64-bit, and it wasn't particularly popular even in its niche market.

    The real benefits of 64-bit (when it finally came with the athlon64 was with the added registers and instructions that improved performance, not so much the "64-bitness" of it. It wasn't until much later that > 4GB memory became reasonable.
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  7.    09 Mar 2017 #147
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    Quote Originally Posted by essenbe View Post
    That's not totally true. A Kaby Lake i7-7700K cost $349 A 6 core i7-6800K cost $400. That's not an unreasonable difference in a 4 core and a 6 core CPU.
    The 6800k while only $400, runs on the enthusiast 2011-3 socket and those motherboards aren't the cheapest. Its not just the CPU that must be factored in, its the entire platform.

    LGA 2011-v3, Intel Motherboards, Motherboards, Components - Newegg.com

    AMD's 6-8 core CPUs will run on an average joe platform.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    To be fair, there really was no benefit to 64-bit at the time. There were no OS's that could take advantage of it, and memory was significantly more expensive. Getting more than 4GB was out of reach of most people. Intel had the Itanium which was 64-bit, and it wasn't particularly popular even in its niche market.

    The real benefits of 64-bit (when it finally came with the athlon64 was with the added registers and instructions that improved performance, not so much the "64-bitness" of it. It wasn't until much later that > 4GB memory became reasonable.
    There were performance benefits in AMD's Athlon64 CPU at the time even without running more than 4GB of RAM or a 64-bit capable OS. I moved from and Northwood core P4 to and A64 and there was a noticeable difference in everyday tasks. The added registers were the direct result of having a full 64-bit architecture.

    Windows XP had a 64-bit variant at the time but it was actually Server 2003 at the core. I ran 32-bit XP on up to 7 at which time I moved to 64-bit.

    Even though it would take a few more years for users to see most of the benefits of 64-bit computing, I'd argue that if AMD had not gone 64-bit when it did, Intel would've stuck with 32-bit far longer and we wouldn't be as far along as a result.

    Just to clarify, I'm not an AMD fanboy. I'll go where the performance is. My main rig is an i5 6500 along with an RX480. My HTPC is an Phenom II x4 paired with a 1050Ti.
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  8.    09 Mar 2017 #148
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    The 6800k while only $400, runs on the enthusiast 2011-3 socket and those motherboards aren't the cheapest. Its not just the CPU that must be factored in, its the entire platform.
    I could pay just as much if not more for a Skylake board as I could for a Broadwell-E board. So that's not saying anything. That's not a valid argument. Sorry.

    You don't need all the added bells & whistles (which drives up the cost of MB's) to get the a CPU to run on it. You could just get a bare essentials board for say a hundred bucks and run any chip on it - whether it be a $1000 dollar chip or a $300 dollar chip.

    MB costs rise as features rise. The chip is prices are fixed at a given performance rating.
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  9.    09 Mar 2017 #149
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    Quote Originally Posted by sygnus21 View Post
    I could pay just as much if not more for a Skylake board as I could for a Broadwell-E board. So that's not saying anything. That's not a valid argument. Sorry.
    Uh huh, but the point is, you don't have to pay the higher prices for a regular 1151 board, so yeah, it kinda is a valid argument. 2011-3 isn't a mainstream offering.
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  10.    09 Mar 2017 #150
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    Quote Originally Posted by vram View Post
    AMD's 6-8 core CPUs will run on an average joe platform.
    And while doing so, will perform at an average Joe level. If you have specific software that takes advantage of multiple cores and threads...great. But many have average software which just doesn't excel in the multi core and multi thread level.
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