Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 15025 for PC Insider

tinmar49 · 02 Feb 2017

Does anyone know why these latest builds have to go through the initialising process? I don't remember the dozens of earlier ones doing this.

Wynona · 02 Feb 2017

Fafhrd said:

The problem is that UUP needs a big test base, and if wimpy Insiders circumvent it, by ESD or WZOR, it ain't being tested! MS will likely disable the ability to use ESD until it gets results.

So, if I object to UUP initializing things for five hours, I'm a wimp eh? If I want to get to testing the meat of the OS, rather than a delivery system that doesn't work, that makes me a wimp?

C'mon, Fafhrd, I wouldn't expect name calling from you.

Wynona · 02 Feb 2017

tinmar49 said:

Today it has been initialising for two hours already, and I took the precaution of uninstalling Malwarebytes first.

I gotcha beat . . . I finally gave up and used ESD to ISO after UUP had been churning around for five hours!

Wynona · 02 Feb 2017

Winuser said:

We tested it and reported it. If MS isn't going to try and fix it why should we continue to test it. I don't care how many times we test it, UUP is not going to fix itself.

tinmar49 · 02 Feb 2017

Maybe Wynona, but I was initialising for about 4 hours yesterday.

Wynona · 02 Feb 2017

tinmar49 said:

Maybe Wynona, but I was initialising for about 4 hours yesterday.

<hehehe>

Who has whom beat in how long the silly thing initialized (My Lappy still can't update), the fact is that so far, UUP hasn't worked properly a single time since Microsoft released it.

BugMeister · 02 Feb 2017

Fafhrd said:

The problem is that UUP needs a big test base, and if wimpy Insiders circumvent it, by ESD or WZOR, it ain't being tested! MS will likely disable the ability to use ESD until it gets results.

- that's how I read it..
- it's how the final product impacts new users..
-*as Insiders we're always testing, so we are perhaps more prone to impatience..

- I guess the theory is, a new user would experience the "UUP-like" delay once only..
- thereafter,*with the platform in place, future updates will be quicker and more discrete..

Winuser · 02 Feb 2017

Fafhrd said:

Not the point, I'm afraid, Winuser - each failure, each redownload, each re-initialize... is monitored by telemetry, (if not at your end, at theirs) and that gives MS Error reporting analytics tons of data - its not the Insiders that bother to complain "I'm peed off that it does not work second time" to feedback that make the difference, it's each attempt that works or fails that gives the developers and analysts the ammunition to improve things.

If enough Insiders give up and take the easy way, I tell you, they will just make circumvention more difficult - and what will improve things is tryers, not quitters They can afford to let the quitters fall off the bandwagon, but those who persevere will be the first to see results.

It is the point. What has MS done to fix this problem? From what I see, Nothing.

martyfelker · 02 Feb 2017

OK Here's something interesting maybe has some relevance. After editing the registry to set the DWORD EnableUUPScan to "0" (as well as SupportsUUP) the key was DELETED. SupportsUUP is still "0". I am now preparing to update to what I hope will provide an ESD for 15025.

I would have to say that this UUP experiment was a disservice to Insider Testing. Yeah I found an 15019 ISO but would not even post where I got it since the last time I did I got my knuckles rapped. No doubt 15025 ISO have already appeared.

While researching UUP I entered the search term "EnableUUPScam" instead of "EnableUUPScan" and got some amusing if off-topic hits

Fafhrd · 02 Feb 2017

Microsoft offer the insiders who can't stand the pace a standoff pause if they wish:

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Why not take a sabbatical?

Microsoft want the problem gone as much as we do.

Why does anyone think they are being abused when they offer their services free of charge to do something hard, and for a time it doesn't get easier?

If you want a break, take it, but don't try to break the system that you signed up to, by circumventing the processes that MS are keenest to see working smoothly and effectively.

And don't accuse them of doing nothing, just because your pet peeve ain't fixed yet.