Windows 10: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs!? Hell Yes!

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       08 Dec 2016 #1

    ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs!? Hell Yes!


    In an unexpected move, Microsoft tonight announced a major new partnership with Qualcomm to port Windows 10 to ARM. No, not Windows 10 Mobile. Real Windows 10 on a new generation of portable PCs.

    “What we’re really providing here is choice,” Microsoft executive vice president Terry Myerson told me earlier this week. “And Qualcomm chipsets have two major advantages that our PC maker partners and customers have been asking for: Incredible battery life and efficient, integrated cellular connectivity.”

    Of course, you may be thinking, hold on a second here. I’ve read this story before. This is just Windows RT again, right?

    Wrong.

    This is full Windows 10 for PCs, not some stripped down version. It’s Windows 10 Home and Pro, on ARM. And Windows 10 Enterprise, with all the functionality that businesses expect, including domain join. This is Windows RT done right.

    Even better, Windows 10 on ARM will supply a long-rumored feature: The ability to run 32-bit Win32/x86 desktop applications—Apple iTunes, Adobe Photoshop, Google Chrome, whatever—directly on the system, unchanged...


    Read more: ARM-Based Windows 10 Portable PCs!? Hell Yes! - Thurrott.com
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  2.    08 Dec 2016 #1

    Seems that this will come out in fall 2017, as some sort of "Platform Update"

    I expect that in 2018 we will see a "Mobility Update" which unifies Windows on ARM and Windows Mobile - finalizing the future that Continuum hinted at.
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  3.    08 Dec 2016 #2

    It doesn't say anything about x86 compatibility, so saying it's "all the functionality*businesses expect" might be stretching things.

    It's still Windows RT, it's just an*enhanced version with enterprise functionality.
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  4.    08 Dec 2016 #3

    Mystere said: View Post
    It doesn't say anything about x86 compatibility, so saying it's "all the functionality*businesses expect" might be stretching things.

    It's still Windows RT, it's just an*enhanced version with enterprise functionality.
    Yes, the x86 cpus are far more powerful across the board...but, as Al Gore says, there is a sucker born every minute... All I can hope for is that Microsoft will, this time, have enough sense to differentiate between Windows x86/x64 and Windows ARM--in a big way--otherwise, oh Lordy, the n00bs will go berserk... "But they said it was Windows...why aren't my games running?--none of my Windows software will run! Bill G. shall die, aieeeee!," etc. ad infinitum. We'll see what they do (Microsoft)...sometimes I think they've been two-steps-forward, one-back, ever since Windows 8...!
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  5.    09 Dec 2016 #4

    waltc said: View Post
    Yes, the x86 cpus are far more powerful across the board...but, as Al Gore says, there is a sucker born every minute... All I can hope for is that Microsoft will, this time, have enough sense to differentiate between Windows x86/x64 and Windows ARM--in a big way--otherwise, oh Lordy, the n00bs will go berserk... "But they said it was Windows...why aren't my games running?--none of my Windows software will run! Bill G. shall die, aieeeee!," etc. ad infinitum. We'll see what they do (Microsoft)...sometimes I think they've been two-steps-forward, one-back, ever since Windows 8...!
    My understanding is that the games will still run, just they might not run very well. Or they might, if they make good use of libraries that can be redirected to native builds.
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  6.    09 Dec 2016 #5

    If I can run it on my Raspberry Pi I'm all in. Looks like that won't happen though. Not on the current 3B version anyway.
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  7.    09 Dec 2016 #6

    I suppose this is good thing. It kinda reminds me of the car-boat, you can use it on land, drive it into the water, and right back onto land. A great idea, that never really caught on, gee, think if all the flood victims had car-boats.

    All of this is fine, but I see 2 fundamental flaws. One, I suspect MS will charge at least $90 to $110 for every device it is on, making not such a great deal. Two, Microsoft still doesn't have a credible app platform as Android and Apple, that was their failing of their mobile devices. I mean Edge doesn't even have but just a few extensions, we keep hearing, it will, but doesn't seem much is going on.

    And if you think about the corporate venue, they already have relative inexpensive Windows tablets, but not many have embraced it. Kaiser Permanente one of MS largest corporate users, just recently started using iPads for their business needs.

    So, bottom line is, I ask myself, does it really make any difference? if so, how?
    Maybe I just don't see where it matters.
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  8.    09 Dec 2016 #7

    I guess it all depends on whether you want to, or need to run 32-bit Win32/x86 desktop applications on your mobile device/smart phone?

    This is full Windows 10 for PCs, not some stripped down version. It’s Windows 10 Home and Pro, on ARM. And Windows 10 Enterprise, with all the functionality that businesses expect, including domain join. This is Windows RT done right.
    Even better, Windows 10 on ARM will supply a long-rumored feature: The ability to run 32-bit Win32/x86 desktop applications—Apple iTunes, Adobe Photoshop, Google Chrome, whatever—directly on the system, unchanged.
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  •    16 Apr 2017 #8

    tomseys said: View Post
    I think this is just totally silly. It's just a more advanced windows phone call it whatever you want. In its small device form it will be running some form of W10 mobile right?.
    No - it is desktop Windows 10. It means you can use a different (cheaper) kind of CPU to replace Atom etc.



    It would be interesting if it came to something.
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  •    16 Apr 2017 #9

    See, I would love to run Windows on this, Raspberry Pi 3B, ARM Cortex-A53 1.2 GHz 64 bit quad-core. It's my portable bread boarding rig.
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    But my only option is Windows 10 IoT. Which for me is basically useless. Windows on Arm won't run on my CPU, but IMHO, its a step in the right direction.
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