Windows 10: Announcing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14986 for PC Insider

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  1. Posts : 13,404
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       09 Dec 2016 #291

    Kari said: View Post
    OK geeks, as many of you missed the ESD and possibility to make your own install media, I asked site owner and admin @z3r010's permission to make links available for ESD files of build 14986 to fellow members.

    As I do not do Home editions nor do I 32 bit versions, I can only offer Build 14986 x64 PRO ESD files in both UK and US English. Both can be found here in my OneDrive as zipped archive: Microsoft OneDrive - Access files anywhere. Create docs with free Office Online.

    • British English file name: ESD (14986 PRO x64 EN-GB).zip
    • American English file name: ESD (14986 PRO x64 EN-US).zip

    Extract the archive, copy the ESD file in ESDtoISO folder, run ESDtoISO.

    Kari
    Thank you, Kari.
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  2. Posts : 13,404
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       09 Dec 2016 #292

    cereberus said: View Post
    Home does not support Hyper-V. Also recommend vmware over virtual box as virtual box has been more troublesome with windows 10.
    Thanks for the confirmation, Cereberus. For now, I'll go with vmware.
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  3.    09 Dec 2016 #293

    Hi,

    I cannot for sure explain why the difference in Size on disk is so small. I do believe this is because of default allocation unit size; the UUP download contains mostly small files which do leave a lot of allocation units half empty requiring unused space, whereas the ESD method basically differs from UUP download only by the install.esd file which only leaves one unit only partly filled.
    The opposite is also true. It seems it is quite easy to confuse Windows when it comes to calculating the actual size on disk when shortcuts such as hardlinks, symlinks and inodes are involved.

    One example being the 3.9Tb of supposed data Disk Cleaner would remove on a disk magnitudes smaller than that.


    Another example pertains to this very version of IP where I copied a .esd file about 790 Mb large, extracted it and much to my surprise the sum of all files was several Gb. According to Windows the size on disk was only a couple hundreds of Mb...


    Confusing but the answer must lie in the thousands of crosslinks I guess.


    Cheers,
      My ComputerSystem Spec

  4.    09 Dec 2016 #294

    johngalt said: View Post
    MBAM 3.0x with Anti-Exploit enabled breaks Edge pretty badly. It's a known issue (and some other 64bit browsers as well - reports have been for Chrome and something else).
    I'm on Chrome now and I haven't noticed any problems. If I do have any problems I'll post them.
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  5.    09 Dec 2016 #295

    Hi,

    Wynona said: View Post
    Did you use Rufus to create your USB stick, Frank? If not, you may want to try that.

    Just in case you didn't: Rufus - Create bootable USB drives the easy way
    I did the first time but you really need to keep an eye on Rufus since it really loves to pick the wrong boot environment.
    I wanted UEFI only and that's what I selected and the little b*stard reset it to Bios, UEFI CSM behind my back.
    Naturally I didn't notice straight away as I was still talking to you guys.
    Of course it did not boot so I had to start over again.
    Since I use UEFI only I did it the easy way, quick formatted the stick to FAT32, mounted the ISO and copied everything over to the USB stick.

    Little did I know that I had not updated Kari's ESD to ISO program so when it finally started setup it got stuck complaining about missing stuff.
    When I saw what was going on on screen I had this deja vu feeling but the Euro didn't drop right away.

    This morning however, having related my Alice in Wonderland story here, Kari was quick to point out that the ESD to ISO version I used was outdated.

    So I started all over again and lo and behold it worked perfectly this time 'round.

    Long story short, if you want to make a ISO for this IP then download the ESD from Kari's One Drive share and make sure to use his latest ESD to ISO program. It works very well indeed.

    As many of you may have noticed, the upgrade install created a new Recovery partition behind the system partition of about 2 Gb. Always a nuisance to have it there and it nibbled the space to do so from the system partition too meaning you can no longer extend the system partition should need to without some serious shuffling about.
    But, guess what, during the clean install I deleted all partitions bar my DATA one and surprise, surprise, all is back as we've known it.
    No more 2Gb Recovery partition but just the 450MB Recovery one where it should be. In front of the system partition.

    All in all I recommend this new version, it works very well. Well worth a clean install in my opinion. Besides, what else do you want to do between now and X-mass any way, right ?

    Cheers,
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  6. Posts : 578
    WinX Pro x64 IP v14986
       09 Dec 2016 #296

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,



    After a clean install that partition is no longer there and all is back as per previous IP and AU edition for that matter.

    Cheers,
    That makes sense, Frank. You clean installed it so UUP was not involved in any way, so that there was not reason to create that partition at the moment.

    As UUP becomes the de facto standard, though, I guess that we will see that new partition start popping up in clean installs as well.

    I certainly hope that it is not going to happen any time soon, though.

    Kari said: View Post
    OK geeks, as many of you missed the ESD and possibility to make your own install media, I asked site owner and admin @z3r010's permission to make links available for ESD files of build 14986 to fellow members.

    As I do not do Home editions nor do I 32 bit versions, I can only offer Build 14986 x64 PRO ESD files in both UK and US English. Both can be found here in my OneDrive as zipped archive: Microsoft OneDrive - Access files anywhere. Create docs with free Office Online.

    • British English file name: ESD (14986 PRO x64 EN-GB).zip
    • American English file name: ESD (14986 PRO x64 EN-US).zip

    Extract the archive, copy the ESD file in ESDtoISO folder, run ESDtoISO.

    Kari
    Thanks, Kari!

    Kari said: View Post
    You are welcome guys.

    My posting has lately mirrored my bad mood and bad both mental and physical health situation. I'm just trying to compensate it a bit , trying to learn not to insult fellow geeks every time I have a bad day...
    I had no idea that you had health issues. God speed and hope you get back to a semblance or normality and the picture of health soon!

    Bat 1 said: View Post
    Echoing the best wishes for your health to improve, and thanking you for the work you do to help others
    And echoing the thanks for finding the registry entries to disable UUP!

    Kari said: View Post
    I just made a test to see what's the difference in download size, ESD vs. UUP, upgrade from 14971 to 14986. I have to say the difference is quite clear.

    $WINDOWS.~BT folder using UUP upgrade method, current build 14971 has downloaded build 14986 upgrade:$WINDOWS.~BT folder using ESD upgrade method, current build 14971 has downloaded build 14986 upgrade:Notice that although the ESD method downloaded almost double the amount of data than the UUP method, it only contains a couple of more files and folders. This can be explained with the install.esd file: this one file alone, missing in UUP upgrade, is 3,105,841 KB (EN-GB PRO 14986 ESD).

    I cannot for sure explain why the difference in Size on disk is so small. I do believe this is because of default allocation unit size; the UUP download contains mostly small files which do leave a lot of allocation units half empty requiring unused space, whereas the ESD method basically differs from UUP download only by the install.esd file which only leaves one unit only partly filled.

    In the future the UUP upgrade will take even less space, I'm sure about that, as more and more of Windows components will find a more permanent form and app / library / system file updates are not required so often.

    The above screenshots are from same physical Windows 10 PRO build 14971 machine. After downloading the UUP upgrade I removed the $WINDOWS.~BT folder, edited the registry to disable UUP, restarted, and downloaded the upgrade again, this time an ESD upgrade.

    Kari
    Interesting to note that the one .ESD file is ~3 GB, yet the difference between the two folder sizes is less than that....

    fdegrove said: View Post
    Hi,



    The opposite is also true. It seems it is quite easy to confuse Windows when it comes to calculating the actual size on disk when shortcuts such as hardlinks, symlinks and inodes are involved.

    One example being the 3.9Tb of supposed data Disk Cleaner would remove on a disk magnitudes smaller than that.


    Another example pertains to this very version of IP where I copied a .esd file about 790 Mb large, extracted it and much to my surprise the sum of all files was several Gb. According to Windows the size on disk was only a couple hundreds of Mb...


    Confusing but the answer must lie in the thousands of crosslinks I guess.


    Cheers,
    RE: Sumlinks - oh, yes, it confused Windows on my side. I use Hermann Schinagl's Link Shell Extension in my folder structure to keep all the .ISOs that I have separated in a very organized tree but have them all easily accessible from a single location. Although my HD space doesn't actually change, Windows seems to think that I have more files on the storage drive than I actually do....

    Winuser said: View Post
    I'm on Chrome now and I haven't noticed any problems. If I do have any problems I'll post them.
    Kewl. I didn't either, and neither with Opera / Opera ßeta / Opera Developer / Vivaldi x64 / Chrome Canary x64 / Firefox Nightly x64 / Internet Explorer x64, but others have.

    The only place I had issues was in Edge.
      My ComputerSystem Spec

  7.    09 Dec 2016 #297

    I downloaded Kari's install.esd and made an ISO. Used Rufus to make a start/boot disk and it booted with it. Museum has new showpiece now.
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  8. Posts : 578
    WinX Pro x64 IP v14986
       09 Dec 2016 #298

    Kari said: View Post
    I thought first it's not good to just outline the idea without testing it first, but OK here we go. I am in such bad shape today that I leave testing for tomorrow.

    First, this includes more work than just an ESD to ISO conversion, but it should give you build 14986 ISO (and in the future an ISO for each new build).

    Theoretical steps, I repeat that I have not tested this yet but as I really want to have an ISO, I will test it:

    • On a technician PC (in my case a Hyper-V virtual machine), clean install Windows 10 (any previous build)
    • Opt in to Fast ring and let WU download 14986 upgrade, alternatively copy the entire $WINDOWS.~BT folder from another machine to technician machine (remembering that bit version, language and edition must match!)
    • Upgrade, either by clicking Restart now in WU if upgrade was downloaded, or running the setup.exe from $WINDOWS.~BT folder if instead of downloading the upgrade you copied it from another machine
    • Capture image (Windows ADK / ICD) to an install.wim file
    • Use ADK's Deployment and Imaging tools to create a WinPE (will be used as boot.wim)
    • Use ADK's Deployment and Imaging tools to write boot.wim and install.wim

    Sounds complicated, is simple, just a bit more work and time required than what we are used to with ESD files.

    As I said, this is at the moment just a theory.
    A couple of questions on this.

    1. Clean install - I assume this will work from a VM? If I have a lot of other programs installed (not clean) will the imaging process still capture the image, albeit a much larger, more comprehensive image of all my apps and such?
    2. I should capture the image after upgrading and fully allowing it to boot back into the workable envireonment, correct?

    Neither of the VMs I made last night wanted to grab the update after I change the registry keys to grab the standard .ISO. I made 2 VMs, 1 on a 40 GB vd to install WinX normally, and one with dual drives, One 40 GB and one 20 GB, to keep testing the \User tree moving from build to build, both had the registry entries for UUP fixed.

    I now plan to make a third VM, leaving UUP enabled, to test this method to grab the image and make the .ISO.
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  9. Posts : 10,986
    Windows 10 Pro
       09 Dec 2016 #299

    johngalt said: View Post
    1. Clean install - I assume this will work from a VM? If I have a lot of other programs installed (not clean) will the imaging process still capture the image, albeit a much larger, more comprehensive image of all my apps and such?
    2. I should capture the image after upgrading and fully allowing it to boot back into the workable envireonment, correct?
    1.) Yes. I always use virtual machines as my technician / reference machines. Never had an issue with that.

    2.) Yes. Capture the image when it contains everything you want to.

    Kari
      My ComputerSystem Spec


  10. Posts : 578
    WinX Pro x64 IP v14986
       09 Dec 2016 #300

    Kari said: View Post
    1.) Yes. I always use virtual machines as my technician / reference machines. Never had an issue with that.

    2.) Yes. Capture the image when it contains everything you want to.

    Kari
    Awesome,. thanks. I plan to ditch some of the stupid pre-installed software, but I'll start gently without modifications and see what I can get from there.

    BTW, I was able to modify the ESDtoISO.cmd file to add the type of .ISO made into the filename as well. Now I can make both back to back and not worry about one overwriting the other
      My ComputerSystem Spec


 
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