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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
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    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       15 Jun 2015 #1

    Bad news for insiders they will have to give up a key for the RTM.


    Bad news for insiders they will have to give up Windows 7 or 8.1 a license-key for the RTM. This is according to maximumpc not me.

    Link

    Someone asked Gabriel Aul, the man in charge of the Windows Insider program, this very question on Twitter the other day, and he had this to say: “You won't need to reserve, and if you're running Insider Preview you'll be upgraded.” And for those of you wondering: Yes, you will need a valid Windows 7/8.x license even if you are part of the pre-release testing program.
    This will cause a lot of people to drop out of the insider program. I am not paying Microsoft with my windows 7 license-key just to keep testing Windows 10.

    I know where the windows 10 image is going to go now, in the trash but I am keeping it for a little while to see if this happens to change before then.


    Note   Note
    UPDATE: Upcoming changes to Windows 10 Insider Preview builds

    Getting the final release on July 29th
    Windows Insiders running the Windows 10 Insider Preview (Home and Pro editions) with their registered MSA connected to their PC will receive the final release build of Windows 10 starting on July 29th. This will come as just another flight. I’ve gotten a lot of questions from Windows Insiders about how this will work if they clean installed from ISO. As long as you are running an Insider Preview build and connected with the MSA you used to register, you will receive the Windows 10 final release build and remain activated. Once you have successfully installed this build and activated, you will also be able to clean install on that PC from final media if you want to start over fresh.

    If you are running the Enterprise edition of the Windows 10 Insider Preview, to upgrade to the final release of Windows 10 Enterprise you will need to download and activate it from Volume Licensing Service Center. As a reminder, the Enterprise edition of the Windows 10 Insider Preview is not eligible for the free upgrade offer and can be upgraded to the final release of Windows 10 through an active Software Assurance agreement.
    Last edited by Brink; 19 Jun 2015 at 16:05.
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  2. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       15 Jun 2015 #2

    What are you talking about? NOTHING in that link says anything about giving up a key, it just says you need a key to have a valid licensed Windows 10. There has been nothing even remotely hinted that upgrading causes your key to become invalid.
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  3. Joined : Mar 2015
    Posts : 616
    Windows 10
       15 Jun 2015 #3

    Mystere said: View Post
    What are you talking about? NOTHING in that link says anything about giving up a key, it just says you need a key to have a valid licensed Windows 10. There has been nothing even remotely hinted that upgrading causes your key to become invalid.
    The link may not say it, but you will have to give up your Win 7/8.* license to get the free upgrade. In other words, you won't be able to use both the OS you upgraded from and Win 10; once you upgrade to Win 10 you're stuck with Win 10 (unless you purchase a new license).
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  4. Joined : Jun 2015
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    Posts : 67
    W10 B10135
       15 Jun 2015 #4

    fracking4oil said: View Post
    The link may not say it, but you will have to give up your Win 7/8.* license to get the free upgrade. In other words, you won't be able to use both the OS you upgraded from and Win 10; once you upgrade to Win 10 you're stuck with Win 10 (unless you purchase a new license).
    No, that is wrong. You don't have to give up the license. You just have to validate that you have a valid one.

    What happens to my old license when I upgrade to Windows 10 - Microsoft Community
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  5. Joined : Mar 2015
    Posts : 616
    Windows 10
       16 Jun 2015 #5

    Fragment said: View Post
    No, that is wrong. You don't have to give up the license. You just have to validate that you have a valid one.

    What happens to my old license when I upgrade to Windows 10 - Microsoft Community
    MS has said numerous times that by upgrading to Win 10, you'll actually be upgrading the license & key of the old OS to a Win 10 license & key. I can't believe this key would be valid for both.
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  6. Joined : Sep 2014
    Adelaide, South Australia
    Posts : 34
    W10 Pro x64. W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview
       16 Jun 2015 #6

    As I understand the situation the old key is not valid for BOTH, but valid for EITHER. So It will not be possible (legal) to dual boot Windows 10 and an older windows version, with the one key.
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  7. Joined : May 2015
    Oakville
    Posts : 21
    XP/7/8.1/10 PRO 10586
       16 Jun 2015 #7

    I believe this is some sort of deterrent for the pirates out there (who knows how it will work with the Windows 10 upgrade) because if you bounce around some different forums, I have been doing some reading and among their discussions is that you can see pirates that are currently using Windows 7 run some sort of boot loader upon install of the O/S that gives your machine a genuine OEM license for Windows 7 by faking your computer as being OEM hence it is totally and fully activated, where as this method/trick has been patched in Windows 8/8.1 and doesn't work on that O/S and versions of Office 2010/2013 to deter piracy and free updates.

    So all the pirates that are participating in the insiders were probably hoping for a free key from Microsoft for Windows 10, and the ones using that OEM boot loader are anxious to see if this OEM loader/key will work on their Windows 10 upgrades, come the update.

    Because, as one user was saying technically with this boot loader trick they can dual-boot by generating 2 keys and have Windows 7 Home Premium & Windows 10 Pro run side by side without having to give up a 'key' to use Windows 7 (have it fully activated) and then have a legit copy of Windows 10 PRO (that was upgraded from 7) and run a dual-boot machine.

    Maybe Microsoft has outsmarted them on this one with this upgrade, I am very curious to see what happens. I do not approve their actions, nor support them, I'm just merely stating what I have read. I will not post any links as I dont want to be banned.
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  8. Joined : Jun 2015
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    Posts : 67
    W10 B10135
       16 Jun 2015 #8

    Yes. the w7 license is consumed into a w10 license of the corresponding edition (home , pro, enterprise etc)
    and you are able to revert to w7 / w8 any time.
    As lmod said it is valid for EITHER not BOTH. So you can always go back to W7 on your machine. But you cant run 10 and 7 at the same time (legally)... technically it may be possible... in the end a dual boot is nothing else than leaving out the installation process when switching from one OS back to the other and vice versa :-)


    preventing this could only be surveilled with some kind of a heartbeat signal which ms would send/recieve every minute and remotely shutdown/disable/unvalidate any "unrightfully" used system.


    i mean if i buy a full version (non oem) of w7... if i want to i could deinstall it every day from computer A and put it on computer B etc... and use my w7 on multiple computers as long as i am not using them at the same time.
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  9. Joined : Mar 2015
    Posts : 616
    Windows 10
       16 Jun 2015 #9

    lmod said: View Post
    As I understand the situation the old key is not valid for BOTH, but valid for EITHER. So It will not be possible (legal) to dual boot Windows 10 and an older windows version, with the one key.
    Fragment said: View Post
    Yes. the w7 license is consumed into a w10 license of the corresponding edition (home , pro, enterprise etc)
    and you are able to revert to w7 / w8 any time.
    As lmod said it is valid for EITHER not BOTH. So you can always go back to W7 on your machine.
    Gotcha, makes sense...
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  10. Joined : Jun 2015
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    Posts : 67
    W10 B10135
       16 Jun 2015 #10

    fracking4oil said: View Post
    Gotcha, makes sense...
    Yeah, maybe to say it even simpler:

    your windows key will not "give a ..." about which version he is used with but it still is one key for "one installation at a time" only.


    still this concept is pretty artificially kept alive, because technology teaches us otherwise... snapshots of os's... dualboot...
    many concepts allow us to switch from one system to another pretty quickly without having to uninstall&reinstall
    so the signaling that reverting to w7 will be possible basically tells much about the possibilities you have...
    i mean why not install 10, then next week revert back to 7, then revert back to 10 agian after some days.
    it makes no sense from a logical point of view, but it illuminates the artificial (&outdated) construct that licensing/software policies have become. kinda ironic that technology/software companies suffer the most from their own inventions.
    and lets not even talk about the real big need to modernize certain laws in our fast paced society.
    i mean it's either adapting laws faster or switching to a lower gear.... if it's none of those two then there is suffering at some point.

    edit: lol sorry i went philosophical there... i could write essays about the phenomenon of the digital revolution and distribution of "110101101000101010101" - non material goods... but thats for another thread, or another forum even
    but things will and should change better sooner than later for the sake of society.
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