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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,215
    Windows 10 IoT
       16 Jun 2015 #11

    Why do people try to read so much into so little information? I do not see it stated anywhere that you give up your Windows 7 or 8.1 license. All it says is you will need a valid Windows 7/8.x license. Likely to cover those the did a clean install of the TP instead of upgrading from Windows 7 or 8.1. Your valid Windows 7/8.x license will then get you a valid Windows 10 license.
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  2. Joined : Jan 2014
    Oak Ridge TN, USA
    Posts : 23,937
    Windows 10 Pro x64
       16 Jun 2015 #12

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Why do people try to read so much into so little information? I do not see it stated anywhere that you give up your Windows 7 or 8.1 license. All it says is you will need a valid Windows 7/8.x license. Likely to cover those the did a clean install of the TP instead of upgrading from Windows 7 or 8.1. Your valid Windows 7/8.x license will then get you a valid Windows 10 license.
    Human nature I guess. Blogs are not the best way to find out what MS is going to do with Win10.. or anything they plan on doing. Go to MS to find out the information you/we need.

    Sigh.. this will never end.
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  3. Joined : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Posts : 8,215
    Windows 10 IoT
       16 Jun 2015 #13

    Very misleading thread title, IMHO.
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  4.    16 Jun 2015 #14

    Hi there

    What *Could* happen -- I'm not saying it will but it could happen -- is that say you restore your old W7 image and you want to apply updates -- the Ms licensing server could easily say --"This product has exceeded the allowable nr of activations" or similar.

    If this were to happen - simply use the PHONE activation and explain you needed to revert back to W7 for a while as something on W10 didn't work.

    You won't get any problems - Ms are actually quite reasonable in this sort of stuff.

    This won't affect the W10 installation should you wish to use it later.

    Always take backup images though before applying UPGRADES (or Downgrades).

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  5. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 92
    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       16 Jun 2015 #15

    If you upgrade Windows 7 or 8xx you will have to give up your key. If you keep using the TP , it will upgrade to the RTM and later builds. There is no key to give up.

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  6. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 335
    Windows 10x64 15007
       16 Jun 2015 #16

    Your 7 or 8.x key will be good for either 10 or your previous OS. If you become dissatisfied with 10 you can revert back.

    BTW, there is no "free" upgrade to insiders without a valid 7 or 8.x OS. People tend to believe what they want to and that has taken on a life of its own.
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 282
    Windows 10!
       16 Jun 2015 #17

    heyyahblah said: View Post
    I believe this is some sort of deterrent for the pirates out there (who knows how it will work with the Windows 10 upgrade) because if you bounce around some different forums, I have been doing some reading and among their discussions is that you can see pirates that are currently using Windows 7 run some sort of boot loader upon install of the O/S that gives your machine a genuine OEM license for Windows 7 by faking your computer as being OEM hence it is totally and fully activated, where as this method/trick has been patched in Windows 8/8.1 and doesn't work on that O/S and versions of Office 2010/2013 to deter piracy and free updates.

    So all the pirates that are participating in the insiders were probably hoping for a free key from Microsoft for Windows 10, and the ones using that OEM boot loader are anxious to see if this OEM loader/key will work on their Windows 10 upgrades, come the update.

    Because, as one user was saying technically with this boot loader trick they can dual-boot by generating 2 keys and have Windows 7 Home Premium & Windows 10 Pro run side by side without having to give up a 'key' to use Windows 7 (have it fully activated) and then have a legit copy of Windows 10 PRO (that was upgraded from 7) and run a dual-boot machine.

    Maybe Microsoft has outsmarted them on this one with this upgrade, I am very curious to see what happens. I do not approve their actions, nor support them, I'm just merely stating what I have read. I will not post any links as I dont want to be banned.
    If the pirates think they can get a free Win10 upgrade from their pirated Windows 7 machines, they are in for a rude awakining when the OS updates, removes the bootloader, then tells them to buy Windows.

    The boot loader is making Windows 7 seem genuine. But Win8/10 patched that, so it will update to a non-genuine Win10
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  8.    16 Jun 2015 #18

    Hi there

    I don't think this is a specific Anti-Piracy thing -- in any case I'll bet a BILLION dollars to 50 Litres of best quality Horse S--TE that Pirates will be out there within 10 minutes of W10 RTM.

    Most people will just upgrade without problems or simply keep running W7 / W8.1 until they either have to upgrade or just give up using computers at all.

    A few might continue running old OS'es on a VM (like me --I'm still running DAILY and using it quite a lot for serious money making stuff -- Windows XP !!! which I have as an isolated VM. I make VINYL records for people --either copying olds VINYLS or creating custom made ones from their music tracks etc.

    I think this whole thing about "Losing" or "Giving up" keys is a total NON ISSUE.

    Cheers
    jimbo
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  9. Joined : Oct 2014
    Posts : 1,542
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       16 Jun 2015 #19

    I wish someone would explain to me how I am misinterpreting this quote.


    “You won't need to reserve, and if you're running Insider Preview you'll be upgraded.” And for those of you wondering: Yes, you will need a valid Windows 7/8.x license even if you are part of the pre-release testing program.
    To me that sure seems like giving up a license or key. I would love to be wrong but I don't think I am.
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  10. Joined : Sep 2014
    Posts : 2,923
    Windows 10 Pro
       16 Jun 2015 #20

    groze said: View Post
    I wish someone would explain to me how I am misinterpreting this quote.

    To me that sure seems like giving up a license or key. I would love to be wrong but I don't think I am.
    I don't see how you could get that interpretation in the first place. It does not say "You will need to surrender a valid Windows 7/8.x key". Hell, it doesn't even say "key". It says "license". It just says you need a valid *license*. Where in that quote can you possibly infer anything else?
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