Windows 10: Bad news for insiders they will have to give up a key for the RTM.

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  1.    19 Jun 2015 #100

    Wander how much some professionals in IT would get payed to test early versions of an OS ?
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       19 Jun 2015 #101

    CountMike said: View Post
    Wander how much some professionals in IT would get payed to test early versions of an OS ?
    More than the price of Windows
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  3.    19 Jun 2015 #102

    Slartybart said: View Post
    See my point ?
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       19 Jun 2015 #103

    Olivir2014 said: View Post
    As I understand it, Windows Insider program will continue and the W7+ license requirement will be for getting a W10 license (for free for 1 year). Windows Insider membership does not and will not give you a W10 license. It grants you access to more or less buggy being-worked-on builds of future W10 updates, which will all eventually expire.
    That is still speculation. I have a quandary. I triple boot between Windows 7 OEM, Windows 10 pro preview and Xubuntu. If I understand the licensing correctly, I wont be able to keep that set up. It will have to be a dual boot W7 OEM and Xubuntu or W10 and Xubuntu. I will be dropping out of the insider program if they require a previous license to keep testing builds after the RTM. Unlike most people here, I am not made of money. So, I don't have another version I could upgrade from.
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       19 Jun 2015 #104

    blackroseMD1 said: View Post
    I know more than a couple of people who were running pirated versions of XP/7/8 that grabbed the tech preview just so they could get a free OS. I'm fine with MS requiring a valid key. Why reward people who have ripped you off in the past?
    I am not taking about pirated versions. There should be a way to separate those from the legit or clean installs.

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    If Microsoft was to give everybody that clean installed the preview a free upgrade to the RTM they may as well just give out Windows 10 to anybody that wants it. It would amount to the same thing. Everybody and their dog would sign up just to get Windows 10 for free. And for those that think Microsoft owes them something for being a tester, they gave you access to the OS before anybody else. They don't owe you anything. Also, you volunteered in the first place, nobody forced you to do it? This free isn't free enough stuff is getting old.
    Actually, real simple fix. Issue keys to people who signed up before July 1st, 2014 or before the rtm comes whichever comes first. (Yes, I am aware there may not be an RTM but news articles keep saying there will be.) Another way, is have insiders sign-up for free windows 10 full install disk that will be mailed to you by Microsoft. This will keep others from signing up for the preview,
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  6.    19 Jun 2015 #105

    All sorts of ways Microsoft could give away various goodies, but I've seen no indication that's their intention or that they're going to do it.
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       19 Jun 2015 #106

    Slartybart said: View Post
    And for that salary you'd expect to get someone who is trained in testing techniques and test tools, possibly including test automation tools, who would thoroughly test specific areas in a planned way with test scripts, expected results etc. So for instance some poor souls have probably spent a few days of their life *just* testing Calculator.

    As opposed to just running the OS and randomly exploring and trying a few things out, and perhaps running my favourite application - which is what I do with Windows 10... and I bet I'm pretty typical of insiders.

    And while a large enough volume of people doing random things will find a good chunk of bugs, it's no substitute for having some specific and focussed testing which I'm sure MS do as well.
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  8.    19 Jun 2015 #107

    I have taken win 8.1 off laptop and restored it back to win 7 so I can keep win 8.1 key
    installed enterprise 10130 over win 7 and so far working fine.
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  9.    19 Jun 2015 #108

    We all know which kind of arrogant monopoly MS is but here with early adopters of TP they have big chance to straighten some things. It wouldn't cost them 1% of total revenue they may expect from Win 10, there will be a lots of time to recuperate any losses accrued and cut down on advertising cost. If they heeded small percentage of bug reports and recommendations given to them thru portal, they already saved tons of money and were able or will be able to move at faster pace with better or at least more popular OS. All of that make better business sense than to chase every penny right at the beginning.
    "Loss leader" is time honored business tactic employed by many retailers and manufacturers.
    And no ! They are not making us great favor or at least not nearly as big as W10 TP testers are giving them. I for one have sent many bug reports and recommendations since the beginning in hope to do at least tiny part in making better OS not expecting anything in return but after spending hours and days looking thru every nook and cranny of 10TP I started expecting at least something in return. I'll be quite happy to supply them with license number of my Win 8.1 but I'm not expecting to give it up for considerable time until I'm 100% convinced I'll be getting better OS than in my opinion very good 8.1. I'll be happy to continue testing W10 as secondary system but 8.1 will stay as long as I can use it or I'm convinced W10 is better, which right now it is not yet.
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  10.    19 Jun 2015 #109

    11 pages and 109 comments in this tread because someone's misinterpretation of a statement and wrote about it using other terminology that meant different things to others.
    You guys worry way too much.
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