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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       19 Nov 2016 #161

    Joanne said: View Post
    Thank you, AndreTen

    By the way, Wynona, I completely agree with you on what you were saying earlier, and I'd just like to add that quite a lot Win 10 users, spend like 10 - 15 minutes to clean-install the OS + drivers, and then they spend... 5 - 7 hours to uninstall all they do not need / like, plus to make 10 function the way they want to.
    Thank you, Joanne.

    I believe that everyone should be able to have the choices they want. It's as simple as that.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
    Posts : 11,665
    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       19 Nov 2016 #162

    magilla said: View Post
    I'm doing a clean install. Kept having system crashes after playing around with problems with maximizing and restoring to original size with apps in this version. I also played around with paint 3D and find it useless at this point in development.
    Yeah, I'm about to get there too, Magilla. As soon as I have the time to revamp my system(s).

    Yup, I'd lump Paint 3D with Edge . . . neither are ready for prime time yet. Good thing we have choices!
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  3. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       19 Nov 2016 #163

    dencal said: View Post
    Kari.
    Your post #155.....Motherboard identification perhaps?
    For the activation, yes. I don't believe it has anything to do with Insider builds, the deciding factor being registry; removing the account used to opt in does not remove Insider registry settings in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsSelfHost\Applicability:

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  4. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 599
    Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview (14971)
       19 Nov 2016 #164

    Wynona said: View Post
    Thank you, Joanne.

    I believe that everyone should be able to have the choices they want. It's as simple as that.
    Alas, dear Wynona, it doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone else believes, as far as MS is concerned. MS is not a democracy, nor a philanthropic organization = they are a corporate entity. They will do whatever they want, that they perceive to be in their own best interest. Kari had a good point above - if you really want that kind of freedom and control of your system, you really ought to consider Linux - I've been dual-booting it for many, many years, and there are many excellent options. When I can't stand the MS control-freakery any more, I'll have no problem just going over full time. But then, I'm semi-retired :-) I fully understand that sometimes one's livelihood depends on MS stuff...
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  5. Joined : Mar 2015
    Stockport UK
    Posts : 1,231
    Wndows 10 x64 Home
       19 Nov 2016 #165

    Kari said: View Post
    You don't have to have a single Microsoft account set up on your PC to opt in to Insider builds, it's completely unnecessary. A local admin account is all you need; when opting in with a local account simply select Sign in to just this app instead:
    Windows user account remains local, user will be opted in for Insider builds. If a local account user enters Windows password here and clicks Next, the Windows user account will be switched to a Microsoft account.

    Thanks for the explanation, I always thought you had to have a Microsoft account.
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  6. Joined : Feb 2016
    Maribor, Slovenia
    Posts : 3,611
    Windows X (various flavours)
       19 Nov 2016 #166

    sgage said: View Post
    Alas, dear Wynona, it doesn't matter what you, or I, or anyone else believes, as far as MS is concerned. MS is not a democracy, nor a philanthropic organization = they are a corporate entity. They will do whatever they want, that they perceive to be in their own best interest. Kari had a good point above - if you really want that kind of freedom and control of your system, you really ought to consider Linux - I've been dual-booting it for many, many years, and there are many excellent options. When I can't stand the MS control-freakery any more, I'll have no problem just going over full time. But then, I'm semi-retired :-) I fully understand that sometimes one's livelihood depends on MS stuff...
    Sory, but I think dragging Linux in this discussion is not appropriate.

    MS has done few realy controversial things here.
    First: they made very clear they listen to us Insiders and that we don't have to uninstall apps every time new build shows. But on the other side, they insist to change things users do to suit system to their needs..

    I think this is point that Wynona is trying to point out. Or part of it..
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  7. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       19 Nov 2016 #167

    DooGie said: View Post
    Thanks for the explanation, I always thought you had to have a Microsoft account.
    You can use all Microsoft services and Windows apps even if your Windows PC only has one single local account. You need of course a Microsoft email account to use apps like Store, Mail, People, Calendar, OneDrive , Skype and so on, but all these apps have the same option as shown in screenshot in my previous post: Sign in to just this app instead.

    If you forget that even once when setting up an app or service that requires a Microsoft email account to be used, if you instead enter your password and click Next, then the Windows user account will be switched to a Microsoft account. As long as you remember to select Sign in to just this app instead whenever setting up a Windows app or service your Windows user account remains local but you have full access to that app or service.
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  8. Joined : Apr 2014
    Posts : 599
    Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview (14971)
       19 Nov 2016 #168

    AndreTen said: View Post
    Sory, but I think dragging Linux in this discussion is not appropriate.

    MS has done few realy controversial things here.
    First: they made very clear they listen to us Insiders and that we don't have to uninstall apps every time new build shows. But on the other side, they insist to change things users do to suit system to their needs..

    I think this is point that Wynona is trying to point out. Or part of it..
    Sorry, but I was actually referring to a post by Kari above - I in no way 'dragged' Linux into the discussion. I was responding to the broader point of Wynona's post, as anyone can see. A point about freedom of choices, a context in which a mention of Linux is totally apposite.

    My point was simply that MS is not obligated to do anything. You do not have a choice once MS decides what they want to do. En masse, feedback might get them to yield on this point or that, but they have their own corporate plan.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
    Posts : 705
    Windows 10 Pro x64 Build 15007
       19 Nov 2016 #169

    sgage said: View Post
    Sorry, but I was actually referring to a post by Kari above - I in no way 'dragged' Linux into the discussion. I was responding to the broader point of Wynona's post, as anyone can see. A point about freedom of choices, a context in which a mention of Linux is totally apposite.

    My point was simply that MS is not obligated to do anything. You do not have a choice once MS decides what they want to do. En masse, feedback might get them to yield on this point or that, but they have their own corporate plan.
    Agreed!
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  10. Joined : Oct 2013
    A Finnish ex-pat in Germany
    Posts : 9,519
    Windows 10 Pro
       19 Nov 2016 #170

    AndreTen said: View Post
    Sory, but I think dragging Linux in this discussion is not appropriate.

    MS has done few realy controversial things here.
    First: they made very clear they listen to us Insiders and that we don't have to uninstall apps every time new build shows. But on the other side, they insist to change things users do to suit system to their needs..

    I think this is point that Wynona is trying to point out. Or part of it..
    Linux is quite relevant in this discussion as it offers a viable alternative to those users unhappy with what Windows today is or what it is becoming.

    Further, factual and matter-of-fact feedback to Microsoft and somewhat aggressive posts about "I do not need / like this feature, therefore it should not be present!" are two very different things.
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