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  1.    04 Jun 2015 #71
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Microsoft is never going to flash the BIOS on a PC as part of the install process, or any other process. They are not going to open themselves up to the liability of a failed flash. It's just never going to happen. The BIOS is proprietary to the OEM and they aren't going to give Microsoft permission to alter it.
    What other way can they possibly store the Unlimited activations on the hardware then?
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  2.    04 Jun 2015 #72
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    Quote Originally Posted by ramram55 View Post
    I believe the idea is get the windows 10 key in exchange for your win 8/8.1/7 key, then after july 29 2016, annually you have to pay for subscription, just like some anti virus program go by annual subscription. Is it simple enough ?
    That is not true. There will be no fee after the one year is up. If you upgrade in the first year it is a free upgrade and Windows will then be free for the life of that device. If you upgrade after the one year period expires, you then have to pay for the upgrade. Even then, once upgraded there will be no further fees for the life of that device.
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  3.    04 Jun 2015 #73
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windows Sniper View Post
    What other way can they possibly store the Unlimited activations on the hardware then?
    Windows 8 and 10 activate online via a Microsoft activation server. It checks the hardware hash against what was stored on the first activation on that hardware. If they match, activation is allowed. If they don't activation fails. Simple as that. It doesn't care how many times Windows is activated as long as that key is always used on that hardware/PC.
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  4.    04 Jun 2015 #74
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    Hopefully that is what MS will let you off, with windows 10 free for life. Yet after windows 10 comes out with some fancy name to have the successor and start charging for the new OS. They got to make a living out of their software. Just like Apple did in the old days to their OSX.
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  5.    04 Jun 2015 #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Windows 8 and 10 activate online via a Microsoft activation server. It checks the hardware hash against what was stored on the first activation on that hardware. If they match, activation is allowed. If they don't activation fails. Simple as that. It doesn't care how many times Windows is activated as long as that key is always used on that hardware/PC.
    But that cannot be how Windows 8 activates. I've used a singular drive and hotswapped it between machines and clean installed the same license on them...

    (Never using more then one active copy at a time)
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  6.    04 Jun 2015 #76
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    Quote Originally Posted by richc46 View Post
    We are all in uncharted waters, but I do not think you can dual boot. I think that once you go to 10, your 7 or 8 will no longer validate.
    @richc46
    From my testing, you would need a clean install of windows 10 to keep dual or triple booting with windows 7 and Linux. I found out if you upgrade windows 7 to windows 10 you won't be able to use windows 7 even on another partition until newer Windows 10 build is released. A build release is just another upgrade. I used one hard drive. I had no issues with Linux. Windows 10 previews build releases do require Grub to be uninstalled or it won't upgrade.

    I did not test what is in bold though.
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  7.    04 Jun 2015 #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windows Sniper View Post
    But that cannot be how Windows 8 activates. I've used a singular drive and hotswapped it between machines and clean installed the same license on them...

    (Never using more then one active copy at a time)
    On OEM PC's with Windows 8.0 or 8.1 installed at the factory the product code is embedded in the BIOS. Windows 8.1 install media will read it and use it automatically. My MSDN ISO, which is identical to a Retail DVD, will read out my laptops OEM key for Windows 8.0 (CORE) and install Windows 8.1. It then activates online automatically the first time I connect to the internet. I do not have to enter a product code. On my desktop PC that does not have an embedded code, I have to type in my code manually during the install. It then also activates online automatically the first time I connect to the internet. All Windows 8 consumer PC's activate online. Even Corporate VL activated PC's activate via an activation server.
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  8.    04 Jun 2015 #78
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    On OEM PC's with Windows 8.0 or 8.1 installed at the factory the product code is embedded in the BIOS. Windows 8.1 install media will read it and use it automatically. My MSDN ISO, which is identical to a Retail DVD, will read out my laptops OEM key for Windows 8.0 (CORE) and install Windows 8.1. It then activates online automatically the first time I connect to the internet. I do not have to enter a product code. On my desktop PC that does not have an embedded code, I have to type in my code manually during the install. It then also activates online automatically the first time I connect to the internet. All Windows 8 consumer PC's activate online. Even Corporate VL activated PC's activate via an activation server.
    I don't disagree that they auth check online. I disagree about the hardware hash, you can change the hardware within a W8 machine freely, and i've had no activation issues, but does that not suggest that the hardware is not relevant?

    Whilst all of that is common knowledge, how are they going to provide the unlimited activations on clean boots for devices which are NOT OEM.
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  9.    04 Jun 2015 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windows Sniper View Post
    I don't disagree that they auth check online. I disagree about the hardware hash, you can change the hardware within a W8 machine freely, and i've had no activation issues, but does that not suggest that the hardware is not relevant?

    Whilst all of that is common knowledge, how are they going to provide the unlimited activations on clean boots for devices which are NOT OEM.
    Hardware is very relevant, that's how they verify that any one product code is only used on one PC. If you are using one install on two different PC's you are violating the EULA and doing it illegally. Swap it back and forth enough and you will likely have activation issues. maybe even a blacklisted key.

    Once Windows is installed the product code is stored in the Windows registry. Its encoded but its there. That's the product code checked during activation. I have Windows 8.1 Pro with Media Center installed on my laptop. The code in the BIOS is for 8.0 (core). The code in the Windows registry is the Media Center code I entered via add features. The media center key is the one my laptop activates with. So it doesn't matter if its OEM or not, the code is still stored by Windows.
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  10.    04 Jun 2015 #80
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    That's good news!
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