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  1.    05 Oct 2016 #21
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    Just because you personally haven't experienced any problems doesn't mean the OS is perfect.
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  2.    05 Oct 2016 #22
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    Quote Originally Posted by lopedoggie View Post
    There is nothing to fix. The errors are operator caused. MS, it ain't broke.
    That is just so wrong. There IS a problem, and MS are working on a fix.
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  3.    05 Oct 2016 #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by lopedoggie View Post
    ^^^ 29 July, 2015 one clean install in august 2015, no issues since then every update has successfully installed with no file system integrity issue no know defects. Sorry. I don't care what MS says. MS doesn't care either they are at no fault when it comes to this issue. Beware of chasing updates to win 10 OS from other than MS update channels or delivery means.
    If your system was in the Insider Program, then opted out after the AU was released, you would have the problem also.
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  4.    05 Oct 2016 #24
    Join Date : Jul 2015
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    Win10 x64 Pro -2 desktops, 1 laptop

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    MS needs to realize that there are way to many variables involved and that forced updates is never going to work. ...
    And when MS fails to recognize the obvious we find ourselves in ... , uh, well, the world of Win10.
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  5.    06 Oct 2016 #25
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    MS needs to realize that there are way to many variables involved and that forced updates is never going to work. Even if the updates were, lets say 95% successful. That still would leave 5% that failed. This is people who just want to use their computer without learning how or paying to fix their computers. IMHO, MS should have a popup that says updates/upgrades are available. Do you want to install now, Install later or skip.
    Actually, the forced upgrades is an attempt to deal with this problem. Previously, there were just way too many permutations of which updates have been installed and which ones haven't for MS to adequately test any given update. Some may have required a previous update (or several updates), but because users were free to cherry pick updates there was no good way to test these scenarios.

    The cumulative update process is designed to make sure all updates are installed so that MS can better test them, and make them safer for the majority of users.

    There are, however, always going to be people that insist on forcing the configuration to their own whims, which means that MS will have never tested those configurations because they aren't supported. So, if you go about hacking your system, you're really taking safety into your own hands. Much like an electronics vendor can't warranty their product from electrocuting you if you've opened it up and started making modifications.
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  6.    06 Oct 2016 #26
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Quote Originally Posted by dencal View Post
    You can always uninstall unwanted updates.....assuming you can start your computer.
    And then wait for Windows update to just reinstall it again, wash rinse and repeat.
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  7.    06 Oct 2016 #27
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    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 IoT

    An option to defer updates for a pre set time might be a good option/compromise? Then when that time runs out do a mandatory auto install.

    Driver updates should be optional no matter what though, there is no need to force driver updates via Windows update, IMHO.
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  8.    06 Oct 2016 #28
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  9.    06 Oct 2016 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Actually, the forced upgrades is an attempt to deal with this problem. Previously, there were just way too many permutations of which updates have been installed and which ones haven't for MS to adequately test any given update. Some may have required a previous update (or several updates), but because users were free to cherry pick updates there was no good way to test these scenarios.

    The cumulative update process is designed to make sure all updates are installed so that MS can better test them, and make them safer for the majority of users.

    There are, however, always going to be people that insist on forcing the configuration to their own whims, which means that MS will have never tested those configurations because they aren't supported. So, if you go about hacking your system, you're really taking safety into your own hands. Much like an electronics vendor can't warranty their product from electrocuting you if you've opened it up and started making modifications.
    The average user doesn't go around hacking there computers to their liking. They just turn it on and expect it to work. They don't want to waste their time and/or money trying to fix something that got broken because they had no control over what gets installed on their computers. MS needs to stop using the average users computers to test what works and what doesn't work. Any testing needs to be on a voluntary basis.
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  10.    06 Oct 2016 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystere View Post
    Much like an electronics vendor can't warranty their product from electrocuting you if you've opened it up and started making modifications.
    And the electronic venders don't come into your house without permission and rewire your device so that it doesn't work.
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