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  1.    05 Sep 2016 #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by hTconeM9user View Post
    A very good and enjoyable post, I do myself read everything on here and I love reading what is coming in the next build, I think all you beta testers do an excellent job, so that when we the general public get it is 99% working as I should do.
    Keep up the good work
    Thank you for the good words, kind sir.

    I think it's good that End Users read Insider stuff, since it will give y'all a "heads up" on features to come.

    Also of note is that when "cumulative updates" come out for Build 14393.xxx, we Insiders have already tested the bits. However, I must say that even though we've tested, Microsoft can sometimes figure out a way to mess up all our testing.
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  2.    05 Sep 2016 #62
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Daniell View Post
    In principal I agree with you, BUT .....

    Will someone that knows, please explain why the Anniverary update was almost immediately followed a pretty large update ( this one) within the same month of release??
    I think this is one of those cases that my post just above this one describes, which bears repeating:

    Also of note is that when "cumulative updates" come out for Build 14393.xxx, we Insiders have already tested the bits. However, I must say that even though we've tested, Microsoft can sometimes figure out a way to mess up all our testing.
    Replace "cumulative updates" with Anniversary Update in the above quote to be a little more accurate with the situation you describe. Although it was the Anniversary Update, we testers are not the last word when Microsoft releases new Builds.

    The Anniversary Update worked exactly as it should have for me on both my Desktop and my Laptop; however, when the "cumulative update" for the Anniversary Update came down the pike, it did its best to destroy my Laptop. Since I don't have all the knowledge of Microsoft's coders, I haven't a clue as to what went wrong with AU the first time around.

    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Daniell View Post
    I see two possibilities here:

    (1) That all the beta testers and MS involved missed a massive problem which non testers unearthed almost immediately --- A very unlikely possibility.
    Most likely not what happened. Most likely, it has more to do with a combination of software/hardware on particular systems that were bitten.

    or
    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Daniell View Post
    (2) The royal "Everyone" knew about the problem. However, Marketing was NOT prepared to delay the release, telling "everyone" that they can fix it with an update, but the Anniversary release WILL go ahead regardless ... ??
    As I've said above, the Anniversary Update was totally stable on my machines . . . from both an Insider version and the End User (AU) version. Microsoft doesn't usually tell us exactly what went wrong, but at this point, I don't believe Microsoft had any inkling that things would go so far South as they did. Some coder pressed the wrong key and things went Boom!
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  3.    05 Sep 2016 #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Daniell View Post
    In principal I agree with you, BUT .....

    Will someone that knows, please explain why the Anniverary update was almost immediately followed a pretty large update ( this one) within the same month of release??

    I see two possibilities here:

    (1) That all the beta testers and MS involved missed a massive problem which non testers unearthed almost immediately --- A very unlikely possibility.

    or
    (2) The royal "Everyone" knew about the problem. However, Marketing was NOT prepared to delay the release, telling "everyone" that they can fix it with an update, but the Anniversary release WILL go ahead regardless ... ??
    I think #2 is more correct. With the aggressive push from MS to get everyone upgraded to 10 and a set date for the AU release I think MS felt it was better to go ahead and release it as promised.
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  4.    05 Sep 2016 #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I think #2 is more correct. With the aggressive push from MS to get everyone upgraded to 10 and a set date for the AU release I think MS felt it was better to go ahead and release it as promised.
    I'd say it was more of a "wrong button pushed" at the last minute. It's happened before and it will happen again.
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  5.    05 Sep 2016 #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    I'd say it was more of a "wrong button pushed" at the last minute. It's happened before and it will happen again.
    I think MS knew about the problems and felt it was better to go ahead and release the AU on the promised date than to push it back. MS has made a lot of bad decisions starting with Windows 8.
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  6.    05 Sep 2016 #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I think MS knew about the problems and felt it was better to go ahead and release the AU on the promised date than to push it back. MS has made a lot of bad decisions starting with Windows 8.
    Oh, the bad decisions didn't start with Windows 8!

    I tested Vista and we BTs told Microsoft it wasn't ready for prime time, but did they listen? H E double toothpick NO, they didn't.

    Same thing to a lesser extent with Windows 7. We told them specific areas where it was lacking, but did they listen? H E double toothpick NO, they didn't.

    This time, though, I think they're listening a little better, which is why I'm thinking someone made a boo-boo. I know of at least one instance and possibly two or three where this did happen and MS told us about it.
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  7.    05 Sep 2016 #67
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    There are 2 sorts of feedback - the User feedback, and the telemetry (Windows Error Reporting) that automatically gets back to Microsoft. This covers the user experience -which may be reported in a very subjective manner, and the technical processes that underlie the user experience.

    When the Build 14393 was released to Insiders on July 20th, there were 2 weeks of this multi-stranded feedback to work its initial resolutions into the cumulative update issued shortly after 14393 was introduced on August 2nd as the Anniversary Update. An almost identical situation happened after the original RTM 10240 build the year before. Pretty much the same for 1511 too.

    Then the real wide scale testing began for each Feature Release, with regular cumulative updates.

    As I mentioned here, some of the bugs introduced with cumulative updates, as well as with new builds, may be deliberate in order to debug known problems over a range of different devices and hardware configurations. Then with enough telemetric data, the problem code can be rewritten properly and the development debug code may be removed in the next CU.
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  8.    05 Sep 2016 #68
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    Oh, the bad decisions didn't start with Windows 8!

    I tested Vista and we BTs told Microsoft it wasn't ready for prime time, but did they listen? H E double toothpick NO, they didn't.

    Same thing to a lesser extent with Windows 7. We told them specific areas where it was lacking, but did they listen? H E double toothpick NO, they didn't.

    This time, though, I think they're listening a little better, which is why I'm thinking someone made a boo-boo. I know of at least one instance and possibly two or three where this did happen and MS told us about it.
    It was more obvious to the general user with Windows 8 because MS had that you take what we give you and like it attitude. We all know how that went over.
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  9.    05 Sep 2016 #69
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    It was more obvious to the general user with Windows 8 because MS had that you take what we give you and like it attitude. We all know how that went over.
    Yeah, that was Sinofsky and his "firing" of all the "at large" beta testers. He decided he knew better than all the best minds at Microsoft, but was a miserable failure and is, thankfully, long gone.

    He almost sent me to Linux . . . but not quite to Apple!
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  10.    05 Sep 2016 #70
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    That was Sinofsky's attitude but I doubt one person had all the say. I'm sure he had others agreeing with his decisions. And I totally agree that if I was to abandon Windows I would choose Linux over Apple any day.

    Edit: I did stray from Windows for awhile. I switched from Windows to Linux Mandrake for awhile. Being a Windows 7 tester brought me back to Windows. I do use Linux Mint in a VM to play around in. I do like it but not enough to stop using Windows 10 as my main OS. With all it's pluses and minuses Windows 10 is the number one OS in my book.
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