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  1. Joined : Oct 2014
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       24 Aug 2016 #21

    Most people would careless what data Microsoft has. In fact, I would trust Microsoft with my data. The real issue is privacy laws in each country that could get a business fined a lot of money. In the U.S. with have H.I.P.P.A. & Credit cards privacy laws, not all businesses use the enterprise version of windows. Of course this is just my opinion.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
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       24 Aug 2016 #22

    dencal said: View Post
    Could not agree more...just page filling rubbish
    Yep...garbage.
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  3. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       24 Aug 2016 #23

    MrBill said: View Post
    The issue isn't data collection. The issue is turning all data collection on by default and making it hard for an experienced user to turn off, due to the multiple options and locations you have to crawl through to do it. It also makes it pretty much impossible for Joe average user, the majority, who just want to press one button.
    It isn't the Microsoft is going to setup some odd profile of every user accessing pornhub, probably 90% of which is their staff. However, any data stored in the cloud is open to hacking. Look at the thousands of cases over the last 10 years, many of the sites most of us would think would be resonably safe. What happens when your personal information is leaked out? Additionally, your online data is a reflection of you. By turning on Cortana by default, and making it much harder to completely remove, Microsoft is essentially a virtual peeping Tom. Maybe there is nothing to see, but do they really need to be looking in your Windows? (Pun intended.)
    Finally, I agree all of us give up some privacy being on the internet. However, that's our choice. While FaceBook and even Gmail or not mandatory to survive in this world, unfortunately Windows is because they have a lock on the market. If you want a job today that pays above minimum wage, you better know how to use Windows.
    So given Microsoft's control, if they want to have Cortana that's fine. However, there should be a simple on-off button for all of Cortana's "features" and it should ask you when you first install windows/start if for the first time if you want Cortana on or off and give you a link showing what it accesses. Then if you decide you don't mind the intrustion fine. However, if you do, turn it off, that should be fine too.
    "A simple on/off button? No we can't have that now! In order to manipulate the uninformed we have to include a catch 22 in this new version of ours for each new feature we add in..." some board exec rambles on at MS M$cheme board room about. "Most noobs won't even know how to make a left turn into... while they blindly make our suggested right turn! Ignorance is Bliss isn't it? well for us that is!"

    Programmers, program developers, advanced beta users, etc. who otherwise know how to navigate through Windows as an OS on the hand will of course eventually find techniques to turn things off the MS schemers have no control over. But for the average mom and pop high school student crowd who simply shop at Walmart that new bells and whistles is far more inviting! And the kids these days are too busy text blabbering their personal data out all over anyways and wouldn't even notice the "slight of hand" wool over eyes.
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  4.    24 Aug 2016 #24

    So many opinions....

    Personally, I don't trust any business (or very few friends, for that matter) with my personal data. Microsoft is very low on my list for trusted Companies, this is just one example why. I have a basic problem with all software and internet companies though. Hell, I don't trust my bank, thank goodness my mother passed away, had my eye on her.

    But, as for Cortana, there are ample ways to disable, however I think it should be a bit more readily accessible. Those not agreeing with the article, I offer this as rebuttal. It is Microsoft's own fault, for not putting in an easy on/off switch, so I think it is fair game to ridicule the OS, if Microsoft doesn't want scrutiny then don't use methods that encourage it.
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  5. Joined : Jul 2016
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       24 Aug 2016 #25

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    "A simple on/off button? No we can't have that now! In order to manipulate the uninformed we have to include a catch 22 in this new version of ours for each new feature we add in..." some board exec rambles on at MS M$cheme board room about. "Most noobs won't even know how to make a left turn into... while they blindly make our suggested right turn! Ignorance is Bliss isn't it? well for us that is!"

    Programmers, program developers, advanced beta users, etc. who otherwise know how to navigate through Windows as an OS on the hand will of course eventually find techniques to turn things off the MS schemers have no control over. But for the average mom and pop high school student crowd who simply shop at Walmart that new bells and whistles is far more inviting! And the kids these days are too busy text blabbering their personal data out all over anyways and wouldn't even notice the "slight of hand" wool over eyes.
    Lol that top passage is hilarious.

    I will give microsoft credit though they did fix the screen when you first set up windows, the "Customize settings" option on the "Get Going Fast" screen (where all/most of the privacy shenanigans are) has been fixed, it is no longer a little blue inconspicuous link, it's now right next to and the same size as the "Use Express settings" button. It used to be the same size and text as Learn More link down in the left.

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    So good on them. I don't have particular Microsoft hate, I think they're doing what they usually do. See something from another company that works (Apple's app store, apps, popularity of the smartphone revolution, cloud synching, etc) and push it to full throttle with no regard for past ways of doing things.

    They heard Windows XP's main flaw was it's security so they pushed it to full throttle with Vista, with extreme UAC nagging, without regard for "legacy" programs that may not function well/at all with UAC.

    It almost seems like they listen too hard to customer shifts in computing platform.

    Phones and tablets will never replace a desktop computer for medium/heavy productivity/entertainment like video editing, modeling, gaming, etc. Thus they should cater a part of Windows (perhaps the "Pro" line?! Revolutionary!) to those people who don't want any fluff or new features or new UI. Update the support for new technology, (NVME, DX12, etc) and that's all. For "home" it should look like Windows 10 looks today, with all the bells and whistles. Professionals pay thousands for new Adobe software, gamers pay $60 for new triple A titles. it is not a stretch for them to pay $100-$150 for Windows 11 Pro without all of the nonsense =P.

    Similar to what they did in the past with the 9x series. Windows NT for the pros/enthusiasts, and 9x for the consumers.
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  6. Joined : May 2016
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       24 Aug 2016 #26

    Culbrelai said: View Post
    Lol that top passage is hilarious.

    I will give microsoft credit though they did fix the screen when you first set up windows, the "Customize settings" option on the "Get Going Fast" screen (where all/most of the privacy shenanigans are) has been fixed, it is no longer a little blue inconspicuous link, it's now right next to and the same size as the "Use Express settings" button. It used to be the same size and text as Learn More link down in the left.

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    So good on them. I don't have particular Microsoft hate, I think they're doing what they usually do. See something from another company that works (Apple's app store, apps, popularity of the smartphone revolution, cloud synching, etc) and push it to full throttle with no regard for past ways of doing things.

    They heard Windows XP's main flaw was it's security so they pushed it to full throttle with Vista, with extreme UAC nagging, without regard for "legacy" programs that may not function well/at all with UAC.

    It almost seems like they listen too hard to customer shifts in computing platform.

    Phones and tablets will never replace a desktop computer for medium/heavy productivity/entertainment like video editing, modeling, gaming, etc. Thus they should cater a part of Windows (perhaps the "Pro" line?! Revolutionary!) to those people who don't want any fluff or new features or new UI. Update the support for new technology, (NVME, DX12, etc) and that's all. For "home" it should look like Windows 10 looks today, with all the bells and whistles. Professionals pay thousands for new Adobe software, gamers pay $60 for new triple A titles. it is not a stretch for them to pay $100-$150 for Windows 11 Pro without all of the nonsense =P.

    Similar to what they did in the past with the 9x series. Windows NT for the pros/enthusiasts, and 9x for the consumers.
    It's called LTSB, too bad it's enterprise only.
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  7. Joined : Apr 2014
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    W10 Pro x64/W7 Ultimate x64 dual boot main - W10 Pro Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64 - remote pc
       24 Aug 2016 #27

    Well what is interesting about businesses regardless of either 10 Pro or Enterprise for engineering, management, corporate execs, etc. is that will simply be a business expense as part of an overall upgrade. Yet while an estimated 21% of machine worldwide by whose statics other then MS that is are running 10 the trend to lean away from 7's huge overall success as far as the business world is concerned is stretched as it had been from XP to Vista, 7 days with 7 coming out on top after the previous didn't go over well.

    10 Pro runs about $140US up to the $199- retail tag while the Home edition is under the $120 mark on average. Enterprise as well as the Education edition obviously fetch some higher prices. The estimates at this time however place 7 still being a strong contender for the interim until 2020 arrives. Then the business world will have to accept the upgrade to whatever is the latest at the time.

    As for XP it was a bit more then security but stability in general that was the question as that was the BSOD Special MS rushed out following the ME flop! MS simply took the framework from 2000 and slapped the ME updated gui on top splicing a rush job together still seeing Fat incorporated. Vista saw that dumped entirely which later proved to be a huge mistake as everything suddenly went Flash memory and Fat volumes on not only flash drives but onboard memory as well as SD cards and other removable media forms. for the latest technologies being introduced in Digital. Cameras as well as phone were now not only film less devices but also camcorders as well as taking snapshots.

    The rest of course is now history as far as Netbooks, Windows Phones, IPhonies, IPadded cells(not called the fruity company for no reason-Poke E moron nonsense supreme lately), etc. with not so smart touch this screen influxing into the main OS as well as the emergence of the competitors's OSs for hand held with MS adopting the mobile platform into the Desktop OS. We saw 8 flop and suddenly 8.1 appeared while the work to get things right is only now starting to take shape with 10.
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  8. Joined : Aug 2014
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       25 Aug 2016 #28

    ARC1020 said: View Post
    I think part of the problem is that over the last year or so, there have been articles published containing inaccuracies regarding Windows 10, which has lead to people getting fed up with them.
    If MS (and/or its employees) hadn't kept releasing contradictory "official" statements, there would have been less articles (accurate and fraudulent).

    The whole GWX fiasco also didn't win any new friends for MS either.
    When an OS supplier starts behaving like a malware/PUP purveyor, people are entirely justified in being suspicious of everything that vendor does.

    MrBill said: View Post
    The issue isn't data collection. The issue is turning all data collection on by default and making it hard for an experienced user to turn off, due to the multiple options and locations you have to crawl through to do it. It also makes it pretty much impossible for Joe average user, the majority, who just want to press one button.
    Agreed.

    I would also add, the random setting changes, whenever you receive a large update, don't make it any easier.

    I also don't have much faith in W10's software switches.
    My W10 Home automatically connects to our network (via Wi-Fi) despite the "Connect automatically" option not being selected.

    In fact, I just turned on W10 (to check the option's wording) and it automatically connected to the network.

    Night Hawk said: View Post
    Well what is interesting about businesses regardless of either 10 Pro or Enterprise for engineering, management, corporate execs, etc. is that will simply be a business expense as part of an overall upgrade. Yet while an estimated 21% of machine worldwide by whose statics other then MS that is are running 10 the trend to lean away from 7's huge overall success as far as the business world is concerned is stretched as it had been from XP to Vista, 7 days with 7 coming out on top after the previous didn't go over well.
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  9. Joined : Jul 2015
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       25 Aug 2016 #29

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  10. Joined : Oct 2014
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       25 Aug 2016 #30

    To be able to use W10 one must accept that use and conditions are as set by Microsoft.
    If you find Cortana intrusive, don't use it....its as simple as that....there is always Google...hah hah hah.
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