Windows 10: Piecing together the Windows as a Service puzzle for Windows 10

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  1. Posts : 1,546
    W7 32 bit, Linux Mint Xfce 18 64 bit
       17 May 2015 #81

    One think @Mystere , New features could be optional if a subscription is required. Don't pay for the subscription you don't get the new features.
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  2.    17 May 2015 #82

    Not being able to hide Skype (Windows 8) or Bing Search (Windows 7) in Windows update bugs me big time. You can hide it but the next time you check for updates its unhidden again. It's optional, but it still irks me having it pushed at me over and over again. One wonders what's the next step?
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  3.    17 May 2015 #83

    groze said: View Post
    One think @Mystere , New features could be optional if a subscription is required. Don't pay for the subscription you don't get the new features.
    Don't pay your subscription and you'll likely find out you can't continue to use Windows.
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       17 May 2015 #84

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Don't pay your subscription and you'll likely find out you can't continue to use Windows.



    I know you are kidding, no one wants another monthly bill to pay, since they are already paying for internet service. Anyway, let say Microsoft required a subscription for the Operating System. In the U.S. the Windows 10 Oem device boxes would have to come with a warning that a monthly subscription to Microsoft would be required and a subscription to high speed internet service is strongly suggested. Also, this would have to be agreed to at checkout as well.


    In the U.S. we also have bait & switch laws. Microsoft need to issue another version of windows if they don't do subscription when windows 10 is rtm.
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       17 May 2015 #85

    groze said: View Post



    I know you are kidding, no one wants another monthly bill to pay, since they are already paying for internet service. Anyway, let say Microsoft required a subscription for the Operating System. In the U.S. the Windows 10 Oem boxes would have to come with a warning that a monthly subscription to Microsoft would be required and a subscription High speed internet service is strongly suggested. Also, this would have to be agreed to at checkout as well.


    In the U.S. we also have bait & switch laws. Microsoft need to issue another version of windows if they don't do subscription when windows 10 is rtm.
    M$ was planning to release X-box with having to have a full time internet connection in order for it to work. The backlash was so bad those plans were shelved just a few weeks from sale.
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  6.    17 May 2015 #86

    I agree with Mystere's last post.

    I've never been very selective in the past and won't be in the future. And I certainly know that most people I know have absolutely zero knowledge of what to allow and what to stop!

    Yes, drivers may be an exception to the rule, but it is rare that even these cause problems (but I have one with a Synaptics driver on an older laptop with 10074!!).

    I am optimistic about the path being taken by MS with win 10 and look forward to the final release and, yes, the updates as well!
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.1 MATE (64 bit), W10IP VM, W10 Home
       17 May 2015 #87

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    Well,, I've been paying close attention to what's been going on here. Next, I've personally not had any major issues with MS updates and no major issues with Win10 that you mention.
    What major issues with W10TP did I mention?

    The only "major" issue I've had is LAN connection problems in some of their earlier releases.
    All of the upgrades have worked although I did do another clean install (b9878?) to see if my LAN problems were due to a glitch related the upgrade.

    What I said was MS has released a bunch of dodgy updates in the last two years.

    BunnyJ said: View Post
    And I was paying close attention to the update from Win8 to Win8.1.. but in that case I was able to get the ISO of WIn8.1 from Technet.
    The W8 to W8.1 issue had nothing to do with ISOs.
    It had to do with some CPU/motherboard feature that W8.1 needed that W8 didn't.
    http://www.pcworld.com/article/20586...windows-8.html
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  8.    17 May 2015 #88

    groze said: View Post
    One think @Mystere , New features could be optional if a subscription is required. Don't pay for the subscription you don't get the new features.
    There is no subscription. Windows as a Service is not Windows as a Subscription.
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       18 May 2015 #89

    Past Record


    Mystere said: View Post
    We're talking about a fundamental change in the way updates are released here. They will continue to use the "rings" model, and people in the fast ring will get updates immediately. They also take a risk that a bad patch might cause them a problem. But, that is the risk you take for being an early adopter.

    If you don't want that risk, then you drop to a lower risk ring. Millions of people will be on the fast ring, which will get patches tested VERY thoroughly before they move to the second and third rings.

    This is fundamentally different from today where they release beta patches to a small set of partners and internally for testing... and then they release the patches to everyone at once. This leads to the situation where the patches haven't been tested anywhere near as thoroughly before the general public get them... and thus when problems occasionally occur, they're kind of blind-sided.

    The model Microsoft is talking about for Windows 10 makes sense. Those that want the risks can take them. Those that don't can wait for distribution to slower rings... but regardless, eventually, everyone will be patched, rather than the selective nightmare they have now.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Do you even read the problems people post on the Windows forums (e.g. Black Screen of Death, Perpetual Reboot Loop, etc.)?
    You are comparing the old model to the new one. The servicing models are very different.
    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    There are stacks of threads related to people being unable to boot their machines after dodgy updates.
    It even happens after non-dodgy updates (due to other glitches or issues with their PCs coincidentally occurring during the update process).

    I assume you weren't paying attention during the "W8 to W8.1" saga either.
    Apples and Oranges.
    All of that might be true, but it has no relevance to the historical record:
    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    Based on MS' record over the past couple of years, there will be dodgy updates.
    You can only estimate the performance of future software releases, by looking at the record of the software company's past software releases.
    The new system may reduced the likelihood of dodgy updates, but it won't eliminate them.

    Apple (who apparently write perfect software ) can't even get it right, despite the fact that they have the massive advantage of a tiny "hardware ecosystem".

    Are you claiming that MS has never released any dodgy updates?
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  10.    18 May 2015 #90

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    All of that might be true, but it has no relevance to the historical record:
    And the historical record has no relevance to an entirely new model of patch distribution.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    You can only estimate the performance of future software releases, by looking at the record of the software company's past software releases.
    You cannot estimate the performance based on a totally different model.

    lehnerus2000 said: View Post
    The new system may reduced the likelihood of dodgy updates, but it won't eliminate them.

    Apple (who apparently write perfect software ) can't even get it right, despite the fact that they have the massive advantage of a tiny "hardware ecosystem".

    Are you claiming that MS has never released any dodgy updates?
    Where exactly did I say they've never released a dodgy update? And, I disagree. It will in fact virtually eliminate the possibility of a dodgy update making it to anyone other than early adopter/fast ring users. When millions of people are on the fast ring, it will be all but impossible for an untested scenario to rear its head when it gets to the slow ring. No, it's not strictly impossible, but so unlikely as to be almost unheard of. The only way it could happen would be if someone released an update to the slow ring by accident, and that seems unlikely.
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