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  1.    16 May 2015 #41
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    Hm, something that just crossed my mind is? After you upgrade does everybody's install then become a Retail License? If you upgrade from an OEM install does it stay OEM? I ask because if you have an OEM license you call the OEM when things go south. How much sympathy are you going to get from Dell or HP if you take it upon yourself to upgrade to 10 and your system goes south in the process?
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  2.    16 May 2015 #42
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    Something to keep in mind here is that the entire update process will be changing with Windows 10.

    Microsoft will keep the "Insiders" program going, and those users will get updates first, before the general population. (They still plan to use the multiple "ring" update model). This will (hopefully) identify any potential problems before they hit the general public. If you are risk averse, you shouldn't be in the insiders program (not sure if insiders will still have the choice of fast/slow but probably).

    Second, this is going to give Microsoft and 3rd party vendors a serious incentive to get drivers, patches and updates right the first (or at most second) time. They can pass the buck if installing a driver is optional, they can't if it's not. This should actually result in BETTER overall drivers and patches.. maybe not at first, but in the medium and long run.

    All process changes are painful. And that's why, if you aren't comfortable with the ramifications, you probably shouldn't be an early adopter. However, once the process has completed, you need to get on board or risk being left behind.

    Consider that Phones get updated more or less mandatorily all the time, and there are many many many more phones out there than PC's. Ever tried running an old version of Chrome? As always, there will probably be registry settings/group policy to bypass things if absolutely necessary, but this is probably going to be something you need to get used to, or run an enterprise version of Windows (if you can find a license).
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  3.    16 May 2015 #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Hm, something that just crossed my mind is? After you upgrade does everybody's install then become a Retail License? If you upgrade from an OEM install does it stay OEM? I ask because if you have an OEM license you call the OEM when things go south. How much sympathy are you going to get from Dell or HP if you take it upon yourself to upgrade to 10 and your system goes south in the process?
    I have a feeling that M$ wants to get the OEMs and the phone carries out of the loop.
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  4.    16 May 2015 #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by labeeman View Post
    I have a feeling that M$ wants to get the OEMs and the phone carries out of the loop.
    I would think they will have to take over tech support for upgrades. If you buy a PC with Windows 10 factory installed though your back to calling the manufacturer for tech support.
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  5.    16 May 2015 #45
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I would think they will have to take over tech support for upgrades. If you buy a PC with Windows 10 factory installed though your back to calling the manufacturer for tech support.
    Agreed there is also noise on the net about taking the cell carries out of the loop on upgrades because they drag there feet too long even for security fixes.
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  6.    16 May 2015 #46
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  7.    16 May 2015 #47
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    I have no problem with MS offering me updates or even upgrades. I would probably install most if not all of them. Just give me the choice of installing them or not installing them. To me this would be a win win for MS and the users. I wouldn't let my wife tell me what to do with my computer and I'm certainly not going to let MS do it. Yes it is their OS and they can do with it what they like. Just not on my computer. I like Windows 7and Windows 8.1.1 so it wouldn't be a problem for me to downgrade. Windows 10 was looking better and better with every new release. It's a shame MS wants to ruin it.
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  8.    16 May 2015 #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winuser View Post
    I have no problem with MS offering me updates or even upgrades. I would probably install most if not all of them. Just give me the choice of installing them or not installing them. To me this would be a win win for MS and the users. I wouldn't let my wife tell me what to do with my computer and I'm certainly not going to let MS do it. Yes it is their OS and they can do with it what they like. Just not on my computer. I like Windows 7and Windows 8.1.1 so it wouldn't be a problem for me to downgrade. Windows 10 was looking better and better with every new release. It's a shame MS wants to ruin it.
    You're jumping to conclusions before we've seen how it works in the real world. Do you have a problem with Chrome forcing you to upgrade it when a new version comes out? Do you have a problem when your phone forces an update?

    If everything works correctly, then what's the issue? I know you think it won't work correctly, but why assume that before it's even had a chance to prove that the new model is good or bad?
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  9.    16 May 2015 #49
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    . . .OMG. . . the sky is falling, the sky is falling. . .look out everyone Microsoft is going t make the sky fall. . .Oh wait you really mean I don't have to use Windows 10, here I thought it was a requirement that all folks in the whole world had to use, or move to Windows 10 or our computers would just stop working even my Mac. . .how silly of me. . .
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  10.    16 May 2015 #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lee View Post
    . . .OMG. . . the sky is falling, the sky is falling. . .look out everyone Microsoft is going t make the sky fall. . .Oh wait you really mean I don't have to use Windows 10, here I thought it was a requirement that all folks in the whole world had to use, or move to Windows 10 or our computers would just stop working even my Mac. . .how silly of me. . .
    Well put.. but people in general have to worry about things I guess. And what's this about MS updates.. gee if they're that bad why use Windows in the first place.. "get a mac"..
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