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  1. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 IoT
       13 May 2015 #101

    groze said: View Post
    @alphanumeric

    Now, I know how Dell Oems does it and they are able to replace motherboards without requiring re-activation (they replace my motherboard). However, If I was going to upgrade to windows 10 and had to use key on the back of the machine, I would have to do a phone activation and tell them a year or so ago, my motherboard was replace under warranty.

    Microsoft can kill those Oemslp if they wanted. I don't know how win7 & 8 oemslp upgrades will work with those systems.
    I'm also wondering how they handle Windows 7 OEM SLP installs. They might ask for the code on the COA sticker. I don't see how they can kill a Windows 7 OEM SLP install. They don't activate online and the Product code is used on many many PC's. There is no actual product code embedded in the BIOS, only activation info for that manufacturer. The code on the COA sticker is a unique code only posted on that PC. It's also blocked from the online activation servers. Normal retail install media for Windows 7 will not read the SLIC table, its not coded to. You'll be prompted to enter a code. That's what the code on the COA sticker is for. Your forced to do a phone activation so Microsoft can confirm its not being used on another PC, that's my theory anyway. Any time I've used one I had to activate by phone the first time.
    It's a totally different situation as far as Windows 8 goes. The Product codes are actually embedded in the BIOS and are unique to that PC. And the PC activates online. They could easily block your OEM key if they wanted.
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  2. Joined : Oct 2014
    Polk County Texas USA
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       13 May 2015 #102

    f14tomcat said: View Post
    But it did! "Last time I clean installed 7, I had to first install Home Premium, let it activate, then do Anytime Upgrade and manually enter it's key.

    After several months of running, I clean installed Home form Dell DVD and it worked! Activation and all! Go figure...
    Whoops, I forgot to take into consideration that you can go back to the prior OS before the upgrade. Let me rephrase a little bit.

    What I should have said is that you can't have your OEM key and your upgrade to Ultimate key for two machines. I think what would happen is that your "anytime upgrade" would now be tied to your OEM version. IOW, you can go back to the OEM version if you give up the upgrade to Ultimate. I think!

    Fast forward to Windows 10 RTM. . . You can drop the Ultimate upgrade from your OEM version and then upgrade to Windows 10. I don't think, even if you were successful in installing the upgrade to another computer, that it would qualify for the Windows 10 upgrade.

    And now that I've dug myself into this hole, I'm gonna have to get StarFerret to get the tractor to drag me out.
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  3. Joined : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       13 May 2015 #103

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    As per my other reply, Microsoft can't kill that type of install and factory activation. If you use a normal off the shelf Windows 7 Ultimate ISO for your install, you can likely skip the Home Premium install and just enter your Ultimate key. The Dell install media is coded to look for the Dell SLIC table and install Home premium by default. The regular ISO won't even look for a SLIC table. That special code has to be added. Removing the $OEM$ folder and ei.cfg file from the sources folder of your Dell install media may be all that is required. You'll lose any Dell branding/logos etc in the process.
    Yeah, Alpha, I forgot that you can roll the PC back to the original install without consequence; guess I never thought anyone would ever want to do that.

    StarFerret's licking the egg off my face.
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  4. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 IoT
       13 May 2015 #104

    Wynona said: View Post
    Whoops, I forgot to take into consideration that you can go back to the prior OS before the upgrade. Let me rephrase a little bit.

    What I should have said is that you can't have your OEM key and your upgrade to Ultimate key for two machines. I think what would happen is that your "anytime upgrade" would now be tied to your OEM version. IOW, you can go back to the OEM version if you give up the upgrade to Ultimate. I think!

    Fast forward to Windows 10 RTM. . . You can drop the Ultimate upgrade from your OEM version and then upgrade to Windows 10. I don't think, even if you were successful in installing the upgrade to another computer, that it would qualify for the Windows 10 upgrade.

    And now that I've dug myself into this hole, I'm gonna have to get StarFerret to get the tractor to drag me out.
    I kind of thought that was what you meant to say. The factory OEM install is non transferable no matter what. The Ultimate any time upgrade, once used, is also now technically tied to that PC. You might get lucky moving it and doing a phone activation, depending on how you answer any questions asked. If Microsoft doesn't block it. I wouldn't count on it though. You can't upgrade to 10 and then reuse those old product codes on another PC.
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  5. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 IoT
       13 May 2015 #105

    Wynona said: View Post
    Yeah, Alpha, I forgot that you can roll the PC back to the original install without consequence; guess I never thought anyone would ever want to do that.

    StarFerret's licking the egg off my face.
    I bet we get a few posts of, I did the free upgrade, but don't like Windows 10, how do I go back?
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  6. Joined : Sep 2014
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       13 May 2015 #106
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  7. Joined : Oct 2014
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    Windows 10 Insider Preview
       13 May 2015 #107

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I bet we get a few posts of, I did the free upgrade, but don't like Windows 10, how do I go back?
    I've already seen a few of those in anticipation of not liking it.

    "What if I upgrade and I don't like it? Can I go back to Windows (name yer pizon)?"
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  8. Joined : Sep 2014
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    64-bit 10240 10 Pro
       13 May 2015 #108

    Windows 10 is better than any prior OS. I can't speak for 8 or 8.1 but it is far better than Windows 7 especially for gaming.
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  9. Joined : Dec 2013
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    Windows 10 IoT
       13 May 2015 #109

    Gary said: View Post
    Windows 10 is better than any prior OS. I can't speak for 8 or 8.1 but it is far better than Windows 7 especially for gaming.
    Not everybody will share that view though, that's life in the world of tech.
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  10. Joined : Jan 2014
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    Windows 8.1, 10
       13 May 2015 #110

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    It's a totally different situation as far as Windows 8 goes. The Product codes are actually embedded in the BIOS and are unique to that PC. And the PC activates online. They could easily block your OEM key if they wanted.
    I think there's one route for OEM installs of Windows 8.

    But I wonder how it will work for people like me who are running Windows 8 (actually 8.1) on an old XP Machine which I upgraded when the initial cheap upgrade was available, but with no key in the BIOS?
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