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  1.    10 May 2015 #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    There is nothing wrong with Office 2010 and each of us has their own choices to make.
    Indeed. I'm still using Office 2010 on my main W7 install, on my backup rig and on our laptop. It's brilliant and I see no need to replace it, I'll use an Office 2013 key on my 8/10 installs when I get them on bare metal but 2010 will stay with my main 7 OS.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Office 365 is already a pay per month deal so you do know about that.
    Of course I know about it, that's why I said it was a bad comparison to make. Office 365 has alternatives and as you rightly said 'we have our own choices to make', the same won't be applicable to Windows when support ends for 7 and 8/8.1. It's also a bit green to refuse to pay for something that isn't even a reality yet, let alone doesn't even have a pricing structure.

    If Windows 10 does eventually go subscription based then I can't see MS pricing it at a level that would turn people away, it would be corporate suicide. There are other operating systems out there (although I don't find any comparable to Windows) so Windows users aren't exactly a captive market, MS aren't going to risk losing consumers to free operating systems by charging through the nose for a subscription based OS. If W10 ever goes subscription based.
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  2.    10 May 2015 #82

    Quote Originally Posted by Wenda View Post
    Well, that makes me even less enthusiastic than ever about adopting Win 10 as my main everyday OS. Looking very much at this stage as if Win 8.1 is destined to become my 'Windows XP'...


    Wenda.
    It will be mine. However, I am continuing to run Vista x64 until 2017, and then I'll switch over to 8.1 then. The only delay to that switch will be if Server 2008 R1 updates (which I understand will be issued until January 2020) will be somehow "hacked" to allow installation on to Vista (ala the same way POSReady updates are being installed on to XP)

    I will say even though I was not all that wowed about the initial builds of 10 TP, I prefer the first couple because their look was more "8-like".

    Despite my misgivings about 10 TP though, I think this would be a right minded direction for Microsoft to move towards. There isn't much innovation left on the desktop if you ask me. We've more or less perfected it, at a time when the move to mobile OS platforms is occurring en masse. Early on, I remember mentioning that Microsoft was going towards the constantly-updated subscription model, and it appeared to me, to be no different than OS X or Google Chrome.
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  3.    10 May 2015 #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jody Thornton View Post
    We've more or less perfected it, at a time when the move to mobile OS platforms is occurring en masse.
    Yup! Even Canonical is in on this game. Desktop is great Mobile is pretty good, it's about connecting the two and interaction of both. The only improvements now, to make, are the User Interfaces & User Experience.
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  4.    10 May 2015 #84

    One other thing: perhaps if Microsoft wanted to cater to segments of the market that felt left in the cold by Windows 10, they should create similar builds resembling older versions of Windows, but with today's security/build model:

    We could have Windows Aero, It would have the default look and option of Windows 7 with glass effect and Modern/Metro apps would be removed. To simplify build updates, eradicate IE and just include Edge. The Windows component store could be updated to reflect the cleanup benefits of Windows 8x/10x. Compatibility with applications would be the same as Win8x/10x.

    Then we could have Windows Classic. This build would resemble the look of Windows XP, and use the classic themeing engine, without Aero. Many of MMC snap-ins could be reworked to resemble the classic NT 5x look, but maintain the same working code beneath to simplify updates between the different OS builds. Since there would be a modern video rendering engine built in, and since Microsoft would want a consistent update system between all of their OS builds, they could just eradicate IE and include Edge here as well. And it would use the Windows Component Store to perform updates and installation. Even though I hate the WinSxS bloat, you can't ask Microsoft to go back to a Windows NT 5x security and system model.

    If I were Microsoft, I would forgo including all of the 8x/10x enterprise apps in these builds, and any Modern interfacing. That would serve as a value added marketing approach to nudge users to upgrade to Windows 10. Meanwhile, the large set of users who are 7 and XP fans would be happy to have systems which work the way they like.
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  5.    10 May 2015 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
    Indeed. I'm still using Office 2010 on my main W7 install, on my backup rig and on our laptop. It's brilliant and I see no need to replace it, I'll use an Office 2013 key on my 8/10 installs when I get them on bare metal but 2010 will stay with my main 7 OS.

    Of course I know about it, that's why I said it was a bad comparison to make. Office 365 has alternatives and as you rightly said 'we have our own choices to make', the same won't be applicable to Windows when support ends for 7 and 8/8.1. It's also a bit green to refuse to pay for something that isn't even a reality yet, let alone doesn't even have a pricing structure.

    If Windows 10 does eventually go subscription based then I can't see MS pricing it at a level that would turn people away, it would be corporate suicide. There are other operating systems out there (although I don't find any comparable to Windows) so Windows users aren't exactly a captive market, MS aren't going to risk losing consumers to free operating systems by charging through the nose for a subscription based OS. If W10 ever goes subscription based.

    I am using Office 2010 Pro 64 Bit in Windows 10 and it is working just fine. I have no desire to get anything else. I , at this point in my life have no real use for Office anyway. All I really use is Outlook and Word. I will not pay any price to use Windows 10 out of principle. MS said that it is a free upgrade and free means free. I am also using Avast internet Security so I disabled the Windows Firewall. I do not need two firewalls . Now Spartan (Edge) does not work. I have no use for it or any other App from The Store. MS's end game in this is to reduce costs by stopping support on outdated OS's. They have already laid off a bunch of people. When Seven stops being supported they will layoff even more. This all comes down to money. MS will NOT lose any money by providing Windows 10 for free. They will make money.
    As an end user I should have the right to use whatever apps that Windows provides. If I want to use a better AV then apps should not be turned off due to that. Maybe this will change when Win 10 goes final. I keep getting asked by their feedback people why I use Firefox at least 5 times a week. I will never use Edge or IE.
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  6.    10 May 2015 #86

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
    Hi there.

    The trouble with a "Continuous update" process is that after a while how do you INSTALL the OS plus all its updates if you say buy a new computer / build a mobo etc --or want to clean install your OS again after say upgrading HDD's or other components.

    If you don't at least release a sort of "Service pack" every so often it becomes almost impossible to re-install the OS and apply all the updates.

    Cheers
    jimbo
    I think that after a certain period of time, say after a year or two, if one wanted to purchase a new copy of Windows 10, you would now get the latest "release" of Windows 10, which includes all updates and service packs release up to that point. So in 2020, you would not ever find the original Windows 10 from 2015 at retail.

    I would think it would be no different than OS X. Would you expect to go to the Apple store nowadays and get the original OS X build from 2000? Of course not. . Can you even get Mountain Lion now?

    Another example: can on even download and install the premier build of the Google Chrome Browser? I think this is where Microsoft is going?
    Last edited by Jody Thornton; 17 May 2015 at 08:49.
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  7.    10 May 2015 #87

    See, to me, this Microsoft's answer to a Chrome Book. There are a LOT of people who went that route and are happy with these devices. There are, to my surprise, some off-line cached working options here too.

    If I was able to perform audio editing while offline (using Audacity or something like that) and then could reconnect later, then that would be cool.
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  8.    10 May 2015 #88
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    Aero and Glass actually will slow your PC down, Vista sort of proved that.
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  9.    10 May 2015 #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    Aero and Glass actually will slow your PC down, Vista sort of proved that.
    That depends totally on hardware.
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  10.    10 May 2015 #90

    Quote Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
    That depends totally on hardware.
    Yeppers! See I used to sound like Gary, but that was because I had a weak video card. But on a capable system, Aero and Glass fly. And that includes Vista, which smokes on my system. And remember that Windows 8x and 10 Previews DO HAVE Aero. Just glass effects are disabled.
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