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  1.    15 May 2015 #111
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    If the internet goes down I think you'll have bigger issues than getting to your email or cloud services.
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  2.    15 May 2015 #112
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    Nothern Ohio
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    When a company has a Office based Cloud the internet going down can shut down many department of a business or corporation until the internet come back up. Now they have rooms full of people that can't do their jobs during down time.

    For me no big deal. I would just take a nap and wait until the internet wakes up again.
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  3.    15 May 2015 #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    When a company has a Office based Cloud the internet going down can shut down many department of a business or corporation until the internet come back up. Now they have rooms full of people that can't do their jobs during down time.

    For me no big deal. I would just take a nap and wait until the internet wakes up again.
    I'm sure businesses have lots of procedures to deal with these issues. Been in IT for years and there are lots of recovery plans.
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  4.    15 May 2015 #114
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    Bamberg Germany
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    The cloud and SaaS is perfect for small business owners, especially Craftsman, like plumber, installers, construction firms, because the can send someone out and be directly connected with their firm to make estimates, order parts, make appointments with the customer at the location immediately, they also have access to SAP for billing. A small Business probably can't afford a server or maybe the software even, and there are IT companies that provide these services cut to the needs of each firm. Using the cloud there is also less chance that your own system will get infected. The only thing one needs is good encryption.
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  5.    15 May 2015 #115
    Join Date : Sep 2014
    Nashville, TN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Adding things to a operating system that nobody asked for is not a improvement.
    A Cloud system would be helpful to whom? Microsoft Office, I believe is the number on sold office program in the world. It has worked great for decades without being in a Cloud and will continue in that fashion if allowed.
    I'm not sure what you're talking about, since you didn't bother to quote any context. What are you responding to exactly?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    A Cloud services in just another computer with storage that you have no control over. It's located somewhere in the world but you don't know where. It's controlled by people that you don't know or trust.
    Do you know who handles your snail mail? You trust them with important documents, checks, things that are hugely important. How exactly is that any different?

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    A business that needs such a thing has it already and it's called a home base server that is accessed by their employees over the internet. The business owns the server and has completed control. A company can and do use Office over the internet. The difference is the company controls their own Cloud (server and storage) and not someone else they don't know. The only difference is who controls the server and the security.
    And the company pays for the staff to maintain it, the hardware costs to buy it, to upgrade it over time, to replace it when it fails, to do backups and create disaster recovery plans... all of that takes resources, planning, and money... lots of money if you want the same kind of reliability that you would get from a cloud service, where those costs are amortized over many customers, and across thousands of servers. You also get the benefits of geographic separation, so if a meteor or plane crashes into a data center in Pittsburg, a backup system in Arizona can take over.

    Certainly, a company can do those things themselves, but it costs a lot... a whole lot more than buying a cloud service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Most everybody know that our email is in a Cloud somewhere and controlled by somebody they don't know.

    1. Do email Cloud servers get hacked? Yes
    2. If the internet goes down can you get your email? No
    3. Can your email account get hacked? Yes
    4. Do hacked email accounts allow the hacker to get into the rest of your network or domain? Yes in many cases.
    Umm.. if your internet is down.. how would you even GET your mail in the first place?

    Regardless, while it's true Cloud servers can get hacked, so can on-premise servers. I fail to see how a hacked email account can give you access to a network or domain... do you even know how authentication works? And again, such systems can be hacked on premise as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Why would anybody, personal or business trust their important data to such a system or method? Cloud storage is nothing but a Black Hat hackers wet dream. One stop shopping with out a check out lane.
    Just like anything, you need to be careful about the services you choose to use... Many have very bad track records, others have very good track records. Being in the cloud doesn't change anything, you still need good security, and the cloud doesn't change that. On premise storage is just as vulnerable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Clouds are not going away. I would suggest only using them when their is not another choice and be careful about using them. If data is worth saving it's worth protecting.
    Giving up the convenience of clouds because you are paranoid is stupid. There are plenty of technologies you can use to keep your data safe, such as client-side encryption. This encrypts your data before it gets sent to the cloud. Even if the cloud service is compromised, the attacker can't do anything with it.

    You're just fear mongering.

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    Another consideration would be quieting one Cloud company and going to another Cloud company.
    How does a company remove all their data from one Cloud to another Cloud and be sure nothing is left in the old Cloud. Well they won't know if everything is cleaned off the old Cloud. To me that means one must be very careful what company they choose for any kind of Cloud usage; whether it's data storage or a program they use.
    They are pretty much stuck with their first choice. That is exactly why Microsoft wants programs in their Cloud. Once you are using their Office Cloud how does one go to another Office program and be certain that nothing is left behind in the Microsoft Cloud?
    Again, if you use encryption then it doesn't matter... even if they keep a copy of your data, they can't use it..

    Quote Originally Posted by Layback Bear View Post
    This is not only Microsoft's Clouds but every companies Cloud.
    Cloud companies go out of business; several have. Now what do you do to gather your data and being sure nothing is left behind?
    The Cloud you choose whether for Microsoft Office or and data can make you or break you.
    Nonsense. You are in control of your data. If you give it to someone unprotected, then that's your fault.
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  6.    15 May 2015 #116
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    Serbia
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    I don't think cloud was ever intended to be a substitute to storage in terms of HDD or other media but a bridge for data that has to be shared between interested parties and that only data needed for let's say sales people, office and stock keeping can be available to all that need it.
    Engineers in the field have only to access data base in the cloud to check on plans and somebody in the office can respond and change or check on something without direct communication by phone or other means. You don't have to haul with you terabytes of data in complicated and large device but can instantly access it even from a smart phone or tablet. It would be also a good tool for many people to work at same thing even at any part of the world.
    Photographers can upload pictures immediately and be sure that they don't get loose to whole internet but their own private space.
    Good tool for sharing data only with persons that are allowed to view it.
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  7.    15 May 2015 #117
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    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    I don't think cloud was ever intended to be a substitute to storage in terms of HDD or other media but a bridge for data that has to be shared between interested parties and that only data needed for let's say sales people, office and stock keeping can be available to all that need it.
    Engineers in the field have only to access data base in the cloud to check on plans and somebody in the office can respond and change or check on something without direct communication by phone or other means. You don't have to haul with you terabytes of data in complicated and large device but can instantly access it even from a smart phone or tablet. It would be also a good tool for many people to work at same thing even at any part of the world.
    Photographers can upload pictures immediately and be sure that they don't get loose to whole internet but their own private space.
    Good tool for sharing data only with persons that are allowed to view it.
    And Mike most importantly for us, when we install a new build or a Refresh/Reinstall, all previous settings and files will be loaded on the new build and later upgrade from Windows 8 systems too
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  8.    15 May 2015 #118
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    Serbia
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    Oh yes that too. I've been running 8.1 and 10 on same computer and there are just a few thing that do not sync immediately upon every clean install of W10 update. For some reason, couple of days ago when I reinstalled 10074 on new SSD I could not connect with my account during install but couple of reboots later when I signed in everything synced and all the settings returned. I also keep as much settings as possible same on both windows for compatibility between them.
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  9.    15 May 2015 #119
    Join Date : Aug 2014
    Australia, Adelaide
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    W7 Ultimate SP1 (64 bit), LM 18.2 MATE (64 bit), W10 Home (64 bit)

    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    And Mike most importantly for us, when we install a new build or a Refresh/Reinstall, all previous settings and files will be loaded on the new build and later upgrade from Windows 8 systems too
    If MS provided a simple one click GUI tool, users could to do that locally.

    Quote Originally Posted by CountMike View Post
    Oh yes that too. I've been running 8.1 and 10 on same computer and there are just a few thing that do not sync immediately upon every clean install of W10 update. For some reason, couple of days ago when I reinstalled 10074 on new SSD I could not connect with my account during install but couple of reboots later when I signed in everything synced and all the settings returned. I also keep as much settings as possible same on both windows for compatibility between them.
    I've noticed that W10TP upgrades often have to be rebooted a couple of times, after the installer claims its finished, to actually get all of the functions working properly.
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  10.    16 May 2015 #120
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    I think Microsoft has "just about"(but not quite) perfected OS syncing. It's like Google Chrome, when ever I install it, then type in my password, within a couple of minutes I have all my add-ons, chosen theme, bookmarks & cookies(for web sites I visit), and most importantly, my settings which I have set perfectly for my use.
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