Windows 10: Can't use win 7, 8, 8.1 keys after July 29th

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  1.    01 Aug 2016 #91

    Nickynoo,

    It sounds like basically you want to start with a fresh, brand spanking new clean install of the Anniversary edition and you want to be able to do it while downloading the Anniversary edition only once?

    I don't know how long the install.esd is left on the computer after the update completes. Maybe someone else can answer that question. Here's how I do it, though:

    Either watch the updates and settings screen or watch for the restart required notification to appear. When windows update says that a restart is required to install version 1607, don't restart - copy the install.esd file from the windows~bt\sources (whatever that folder is called) to your ESD to ISO folder that you have waiting for it. Run the esd to iso command file and you want option 1, create iso with standard install.wim file.

    Once that finishes, then create a Windows 10 installation USB flash drive or DVD from the ISO file created. I also like to copy the ISO file itself to an external storage location - I have network attached storage that I copy mine to, but that is optional. Reboot the computer from the USB installation flash drive or DVD, select I don't have a product key, select the custom install option, then you will get a list of all the partitions on your hard drive. Delete each of the partitions until you end up with 1 big unallocated space. If you have a data partition, you can leave that one intact if you want to. Then select the unallocated space and click next. Windows setup will create the partitions it wants during the install process.
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  2. Posts : 168
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 14393)
       01 Aug 2016 #92

    Thats exactly what I want to do, thanks Navy.
    The digital entitlement is not affected? It will still activate automatically - sorry this thread (the previous posts) confused me.
    I dont have a data partition so its basically delete all the partitions that are there and then select the unallocated space and let windows 10 do its thing. Am I correct - you need to boot from the installation media to install? Why - can you not just mount the iso?
    Just to be clear - the update is found by windows update service and it downloads - takes basically all night in my case. Windows update does a few things before it gives you the "a restart has been scheduled" screen. it is at this point that I need to do the esd to iso process. Then I let the upgrade continue installing with reboots and the other things it does. I am on a windows 7 computer now so I cant look at the options available but I think there is a section in the advanced part of update that allows a computer to automatically log in to your account to enable the entire update process to be faster and hands free - does this need to be "unenabled" because I would think that will make the first restart (when I do the esd to iso process) to automatically happen. Also I read something about downloading updates while windows is installing - is it better to install without internet access and let windows download updates once it has installed? - Im talking about my clean install and updating after Ive logged into my computer.
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    Wndows 10 x64 Home Build 15063.483
       01 Aug 2016 #93

    Once you have made an iso from the esd as far as I'm aware there is no need to allow the update to continue if you are going to do a clean install.
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  4. Posts : 168
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 14393)
       01 Aug 2016 #94

    Valid point DooGie - logic tells me that you are correct.
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  5.    01 Aug 2016 #95

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    Thats exactly what I want to do, thanks Navy.
    The digital entitlement is not affected? It will still activate automatically - sorry this thread (the previous posts) confused me.
    The digital entitlement is not affected. It will activate automatically.

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    I dont have a data partition so its basically delete all the partitions that are there and then select the unallocated space and let windows 10 do its thing. Am I correct - you need to boot from the installation media to install? Why - can you not just mount the iso?
    Mounting the ISO file only works if you are going to upgrade or update the current operating system. In order to do a clean install you must boot from an installation USB flash drive or DVD.

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    Just to be clear - the update is found by windows update service and it downloads - takes basically all night in my case. Windows update does a few things before it gives you the "a restart has been scheduled" screen. it is at this point that I need to do the esd to iso process.
    Correct. Copy the install.esd once WIndows update gets to the point where it wants to reboot the computer.

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    Then I let the upgrade continue installing with reboots and the other things it does. I am on a windows 7 computer now so I cant look at the options available but I think there is a section in the advanced part of update that allows a computer to automatically log in to your account to enable the entire update process to be faster and hands free - does this need to be "unenabled" because I would think that will make the first restart (when I do the esd to iso process) to automatically happen.
    I think it would probably be best to uncheck that option. Just be sure to stay on top of it and catch it before Windows Update reboots to install the update.

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    Also I read something about downloading updates while windows is installing - is it better to install without internet access and let windows download updates once it has installed? - Im talking about my clean install and updating after Ive logged into my computer.
    I never check that box to check for updates during installation. I've had it hang up in that process too many times. I don't do updates until after Windows is setup.
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  6. Posts : 168
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 14393)
       01 Aug 2016 #96

    thank you very much Navy
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  7.    01 Aug 2016 #97

    Nickynoo said: View Post
    thank you very much Navy
    Although tomorrow, you may very well be able to download the update as an ISO file using a Media Creation Tool or from MS Tech Bench before you get it via Windows Update.
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  8. Posts : 168
    Windows 10 Pro 64-bit (build 14393)
       01 Aug 2016 #98

    Thats true
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  9. Posts : 11,835
    Windows 10 Pro
       01 Aug 2016 #99

    Mystere said: View Post
    I'm guessing that he's mistaken on this. Most likely, he's already activated Windows 10 on a virtual machine on the same system, and since virtual machines all have the same ID's, it would mean there was already a digital entitlement for Windows 10 in his VM environment, and it just so happens he used the Windows 7 key to install, but the actual entitlement is coming from a different activation he has done before.
    groze said: View Post
    That doesn't make sense with what Kari (I think it was Kari) said. He said when you create a new virtual machine, it like having another computer (Those were not the exact words but I made it simple). So Ed Boot test shouldn't of worked unless Microsoft just waiting tell Monday to stop the keys. I think Ed should of waited till Tuesday or even later to test them. Microsoft got to be-carefull and not turn off or stop the wrong keys.
    DavidY said: View Post
    That's not my experience with VMs.

    When I create a new VM, on a host machine which has had other activated VMs, the new ones don't activate.

    If I take a VM that's already activated, wipe the disk and clean install it, then it sees the entitlement and does activate. Admittedly it's a while since I created a new one, but my experience is that VMs behave much like physical machines.

    No way to know how Ed Bott managed to do it but let's make one thing very clear: Each virtual machine has its own hardware signature, its own GUID. If you create a new vm and install Windows on it, any version skipping product key, Windows will not be activated. That is absolutely not possible Windows to be automatically activated when installed on new machine.

    If you however don't create a new vm but instead take an already activated Windows 10 vm and perform a clean install to that existing old vm, this vm will be activated exactly as a would happen on any physical computer; clean installing on previously digitally activated machine will be activated, clean installing on machine that has never had Windows 10 activated will not be activated.

    About keys: this is not rocket science!

    • You can use Windows 7 and 8.1 keys to activate 7 and 8.1 today, next month, next year if you so wish. According EULA these keys however will no longer be valid if used for Windows 10 activation and you have not rolled back
    • You cannot use Windows 7 or 8.1 key anymore to activate Windows 10
    • If you used Windows 7 or 8.1 key to activate Windows 10, then rolled back to Windows 7 or 8.1, your hardware has digital entitlement and you can clean install Windows 10 or in-place upgrade Windows 7 or 8.1 whenever you want to and so decide. Your Windows 10 will be activated regardless if the original key used for digital activation and free upgrade was retail or OEM
    • You only need to use product key once. When Windows 10 is activated, be it your old 7 or 8.1 key or a new Windows 10 key, first and only time you need to use a key is enough to get it activated and activation stored on activation servers, based on the digital hardware signature. All subsequent upgrade installs will not even ask a product key, a clean install always asks it but you should select "I don't have a product key" to skip it
    • Don't panic when on desktop after clean install on a machine with digital entitlement: speaking from personal experience after enormous amount of activations since the digital entitlement was presented, it might sometimes take up to 10 minutes before the Windows status will be changed to Activated, although in most cases it is instant
    • Digital entitlement lasts the lifetime of your device. If 10 was activated with Windows 7 or 8.1 key and you rolled back to Windows 7 or 8.1, you have no hurry; according to Microsoft's "lifetime of device" promise you can wait for instance until 2020 when Windows 7 support comes to its end and install / upgrade only then


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  10.    01 Aug 2016 #100

    Kari said: View Post
    [*]You cannot use Windows 7 or 8.1 key anymore to activate Windows 10

    Kari
    Respectfully @Kari, you would be mistaken:

    @Kari, @simrick,

    Ok. So there's this "rumor" floating around that the free upgrade has been "extended" by Microsoft. So I did a little experiment on my custom built computer that has never had Windows 10 Home on it before. Here's the results:

    https://www.tenforums.com/installatio...y-expired.html

    Clean install of Windows 10 Home build 14393 from an ISO file captured from a computer that did the insider upgrade - no activation:

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Name:	Unactivated.JPG 
Views:	40 
Size:	54.1 KB 
ID:	93509

    Here's the product key to be tested:

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Name:	ProductKey.JPG 
Views:	40 
Size:	36.3 KB 
ID:	93510

    Here's the change product key screen in progress of checking it:

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ID:	93511

    And the result? - Exactly the same as would have occurred on July 28th:

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Name:	Activated2.JPG 
Views:	40 
Size:	33.6 KB 
ID:	93512

    Further proof, slmgr /dlv result:

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ID:	93513

    So the definitive answer is that the Microsoft activation server is working on 8/1/2016 at 7:30PM 1.5 hours North of Microsoft in Stanwood, WA just exactly the same as it worked on July 28th.
    Last edited by NavyLCDR; 02 Aug 2016 at 15:29.
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