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  1.    29 Jul 2016 #561
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    LOL.
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  2.    30 Jul 2016 #562
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    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    I also got a link to a Windows 10 Anniversary Wallpaper.zip file. Might be easier to convert those to an avatar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Wynona View Post
    We could probably save picture as and then use 'em as our avatars at TF!
    @alphanumeric & @Wynona,
    How about chopping-cropping-resizing two layers in the GIF, converting to a PNG, to get this

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    ***Notice the red bandana Ninja Cat has? He is a Sith too!***
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  3.    30 Jul 2016 #563
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    A Finnish expat in Germany
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cliff S View Post
    Or just make changes in

    Code:
    Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
    
    
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows N\CurrentVersion]
    "RegisteredOrganization"="Windows Ten Forums"
    "RegisteredOwner"="Cliff S"
    Quote Originally Posted by Superfly View Post
    Just wondering .. is the "Windows User" thingy related to installing with MSA or local account?
    No difference if initial user created in OOBE phase is local, MS or Azure AD user, it's by default Windows User. I install very seldom, deploying instead, when creating and customizing deployment image I use Windows SIM to create answer file and add whatever I want to. This info will then be shown on all machines I deploy this image to:

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  4.    30 Jul 2016 #564
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    I have now upgraded to 10 twice, rolled back to 7 twice, no issues. Both 7 and 10 activations remain every time. After last roll back to 7 I booted with W10 install media, wiped the HDD empty and clean installed 10 skipping the product key. That was automatically digitally activated.

    I will continue playing with this after the free upgrade offer has been ended, to see if that changes anything.
    Digital entitlement tests continue. At the moment I've done upgrade from 7 to 10 before the free upgrade offer ended three times, then rolled back to 7 three times. No issues. Both 7 and 10 activation OK every time.

    After last roll back to 7 I now get this:

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    Since that I have in-place upgraded to 10 twice, activation OK. After last upgrade this morning (it's Saturday here already), Recovery options in Settings still shows I have 30 days to roll back to 7. If the roll back 30 day grace period was counted from first upgrade it should show 28 days now instead.

    If it continues to work like this it's like a very slow version of dual boot; If using 7 and want to boot 10 you need to upgrade which in this machine's case takes 40 minutes. Then when wanting to boot to 7 roll back takes 10 minutes (surprisingly fast!).
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  5.    30 Jul 2016 #565
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Digital entitlement tests continue. At the moment I've done upgrade from 7 to 10 before the free upgrade offer ended three times, then rolled back to 7 three times. No issues. Both 7 and 10 activation OK every time.

    After last roll back to 7 I now get this:
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    Since that I have in-place upgraded to 10 twice, activation OK. After last upgrade this morning (it's Saturday here already), Recovery options in Settings still shows I have 30 days to roll back to 7. If the roll back 30 day grace period was counted from first upgrade it should show 28 days now instead.

    If it continues to work like this it's like a very slow version of dual boot; If using 7 and want to boot 10 you need to upgrade which in this machine's case takes 40 minutes. Then when wanting to boot to 7 roll back takes 10 minutes (surprisingly fast!).
    Easier and quicker just to swap two physical drives of course, as we all know it is not legally permitted to actually dual boot.

    Changing tack, I am going to shortly test in a vm what happens if you try and activate windows 10 using spare old 7/8 key as follows:-

    1) just entering it - should reject it now.

    2) If 1) did work, repeat on another vm after 11am UK time.

    2) if 1) did not work, then for curiosity, setting utc to utc-11, giving allegedly still 2.5 hrs at time of posting.
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  6.    30 Jul 2016 #566
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Easier and quicker just to swap two physical drives of course, as we all know it is not legally permitted to actually dual boot..
    Yes, I know, but my point is testing digital entitlement in every possible way, therefore this.

    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    2) if 1) did not work, then for curiosity, setting utc to utc-11, giving allegedly still 2.5 hrs at time of posting.
    That works. I just tested on a Windows 8.1 PRO machine. For those who left upgrade to last minute and now think they missed it, you still have just over 4 hours to upgrade. Instructions in three simple screenshot:

    If you get this:

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    ... close it. Now change your time zone to UTC -12:

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    ... and re-open Get Windows 10 app, upgrade:

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    Notice that you have to leave the wrong time zone there until you have reached Windows 10 desktop after upgrade and can confirm from Settings that Windows is activated.

    This still works for 4 hours 10 minutes after posting this (7:50 AM UTC).
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  7.    30 Jul 2016 #567
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Yes, I know, but my point is testing digital entitlement in every possible way, therefore this.



    That works. I just tested on a Windows 8.1 PRO machine. For those who left upgrade to last minute and now think they missed it, you still have just over 4 hours to upgrade. Instructions in three simple screenshot:

    If you get this:

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    ... close it. Now change your time zone to UTC -12:

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    ... and re-open Get Windows 10 app, upgrade:

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    Notice that you have to leave the wrong time zone there until you have reached Windows 10 desktop after upgrade and can confirm from Settings that Windows is activated.

    This still works for 4 hours 10 minutes after posting this (7:50 AM UTC).
    Re. digital licence testing - for sure.

    Re. utc change - that saves me doing it! I thought you could only change to utc-11, but 1 hr extra even better

    Actually, you have also answered my other test, rereading your post.

    If I understand you correctly, if you rolled back to 7, from a previously digital activated windows 10, you can reupgrade using mct method, it still activates ie no key entry is needed and clearly it looks for a digital licence automatically?

    Of course , the BIG test is to install 14393 on a pc that has not had windows 10 installed, and see if the new activation tool transfers the digital licence. This would finally answer the much asked question of how to transfer an upgrade from a retail licence after the free period ends.

    I do not currently have a suitable spare machine to test this, as all mine are on 14393 with digital Home licences.

    I could test using my new PRO N ( ) digital licence, but I am reluctant to do it in case it works but does not allow me to transfer it back.
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  8.    30 Jul 2016 #568
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    If I understand you correctly, if you rolled back to 7, from a previously digital activated windows 10, you can reupgrade using mct method, it still activates ie no key entry is needed and clearly it looks for a digital licence automatically?
    Yes, except I have used 14393 ISO in these upgrade tests, not MCT.


    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Of course , the BIG test is to install 14393 on a pc that has not had windows 10 installed, and see if the new activation tool transfers the digital licence. This would finally answer the much asked question of how to transfer an upgrade from a retail licence after the free period ends.
    Until now I have only used underlying Windows 7 local account in these tests. Next phase is to switch to MS account after upgrade and then try to transfer the license to new machine. In this test machine clean install works, of course, Windows 10 being activated but like you I am interested to see retail license transfer in action.
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  9.    30 Jul 2016 #569
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kari View Post
    Yes, except I have used 14393 ISO in these upgrade tests, not MCT.




    Until now I have only used underlying Windows 7 local account in these tests. Next phase is to switch to MS account after upgrade and then try to transfer the license to new machine. In this test machine clean install works, of course, Windows 10 being activated but like you I am interested to see retail license transfer in action.
    Yeah I meant 14393 iso.
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  10.    30 Jul 2016 #570
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    Quote Originally Posted by cereberus View Post
    Yeah I meant 14393 iso.
    The upgrades until end of free offer were to TH2 version 1511 through Windows Update, upgrades thereafter with 14393 ISO.
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