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  1.    08 Jul 2016 #11
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    Good counter argument. When you put it like that I guess I agree. On a personal level I do still prefer the old days of dedicated desktop OS and phones being separate and I just think Windows, for what I want it to be, has suffered - I sure find the whole 'store' and apps stuff (mainly the native ones) buggy - maybe if it wasn't so immature an OS and buggy I would be more receptive to it. But overal am just not keen on the hybrid OS we have and much preferred Windows 7. But it's happening whether we like it or not although I can see businesses clinging to Windows 7 for years to come. Unfortunately the over reliance on cloud connectivity is another frustration. MS and Apple assume everyone is connected 24/7. Even in London there are grey areas of cellular coverage where my phone (albeit iOS) becomes next to useless - and of course we become heavily reliant on said servers working all the time.

    i guess I'm old school, I don't like cloud storage, rather use local storage whether it be my internal HD or my NAS drives and rather have my phone and computer as very separate entities. Some people embrace change but there are a great many, I think, that don't and I believe apple and MS push change for the sake of change too much. It's not going to happen but if MS focuses purely on desktop OS it would be better but as you rightly point out they can't afford to.
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  2.    08 Jul 2016 #12
    Join Date : Jun 2014
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    Windows 10 Pro

    I'm very happy with my Lumia 640XL running Windows 10. I hope Widows 10 mobile continues and more phones become available. IMHO it's a shame MS didn't get into the phone market earlier.
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  3.    09 Jul 2016 #13
    Join Date : Dec 2013
    Sydney, Nova Scotia, Canada
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    Windows 10 IoT

    Isn't it up to the service provider (who sold you the phone and package), whether a phone gets updated or not? I don't own a dumb phone, let alone a smart phone, so I'm a noob where that is concerned.
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  4.    09 Jul 2016 #14
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Covington, Louisiana
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    Windows 10 1703 Pro 64

    Quote Originally Posted by alphanumeric View Post
    Isn't it up to the service provider (who sold you the phone and package), whether a phone gets updated or not? I don't own a dumb phone, let alone a smart phone, so I'm a noob where that is concerned.
    That's the procedure with Verizon. Just got mine the other day and the only major problem was it lost 95% of my contacts. Thanks to Verizon's Cloud service (5GB Free) and it had all my contacts and with a quick sync they are all back. Verizon Cloud replaced Backup Assistant Plus and has the Verizon Cloud app in the Windows store.

    Now we will see when they release Redstone and how long it takes to get upgraded.


    Jim
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  5.    10 Jul 2016 #15
    Join Date : Jul 2016
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    Windows 10

    Claims of the demise of the desktop are premature.

    My desktop has dual 27" screens, and I'd prefer more/bigger.

    I can tolerate a mere 14" laptop when traveling, but I could never put up with losing keyboard and mouse. That's what a cell phone forces upon me.

    A cell phone is simply not a proper computer. No keyboard, no mouse, and almost no screen make it little more than a computer "serving suggestion".

    Next generation visualization (Magic Leap et al) may eventually solve the output problem. But what about the input problem?

    Until mobile becomes functional, real computing will remain on the desk or lap.
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  6.    10 Jul 2016 #16
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    Windows 11 free upgrade won't end July 29. It will end when MS announces Windows 12.
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  7.    10 Jul 2016 #17
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    Windows 10 Pro

    Quote Originally Posted by margrave55 View Post
    Claims of the demise of the desktop are premature.

    My desktop has dual 27" screens, and I'd prefer more/bigger.

    I can tolerate a mere 14" laptop when traveling, but I could never put up with losing keyboard and mouse. That's what a cell phone forces upon me.

    A cell phone is simply not a proper computer. No keyboard, no mouse, and almost no screen make it little more than a computer "serving suggestion".

    Next generation visualization (Magic Leap et al) may eventually solve the output problem. But what about the input problem?

    Until mobile becomes functional, real computing will remain on the desk or lap.
    IMHO both serve a purpose and I don't see either one replacing the other.
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  8.    12 Jul 2016 #18
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    Serbia
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    I kept on using dumb phones until 3 years ago, Symbian was good enough for that. Switched to Android but cooperation with desktop and other devices was a nightmare or downright impossible. Interface familiarity and easy connection to desktop and other devices with windows is what made me switch to Windows phone so it's OS on it that I prefer not phone itself.
    I bought my Lumia 640 DS and brother's 535 DS outright, unlocked, don't like being dependent on service providers. No internet from provider either, only use it at home and other places where WiFi is available. Both of them have second sim slot with SIM card for internet only and it can be activated for prepaid internet service by sending a message to provider, just i case I need internet on the go.
    I'm sorry that MS is not going to stay with Nokia, they made very good phones.
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