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  1.    19 Apr 2015 #21
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    Win 7 Pro/32, Win 10 Pro/64/32

    Why do I get the feeling that so many people running Windows 10 TP, don't really understand what Beta Testing is all about?

    It is not now and never was supposed to be anyone's MAIN OS.

    I remember on the old Windows 8 forum, where I was a moderator, daily we had to remind people coming on the forum that Windows 8 Beta, was NOT a free new OS, but a Beta Release for testing purposes only.
    At the time, even Microsoft on their download page, would tell people to NOT install the Beta versions over their main OS on their computers. And every day someone would come on the forum wanting to know how to get their Windows 7, Vista or XP back.
    There was NO return path!

    Every time I get a new Build of Windows 10 TP, I back up the version I'm currently running on my TEST PC, and then install the new build, letting the installer re-Format the C: partition where the new build will install.
    This totally prevents any Blending of the new Build with a previous build.
    I try to run every build as if it were coming to me on a brand new store-bought computer. To do otherwise, defeats the whole purpose of Beta Testing.

    I don't know, what some folks purpose is in even being involved in the Beta Testing process, because they certainly don't have the technical expertise to do it effectively. By the time that the current Builds expire, we should all be 'over it', and either running the full release of Windows 10, or back to our OS of choice.

    It may be several years, before I will be running Windows 10 as my everyday OS, but in the mean time, I'm quite happy with XP, Win-7 and Win-8.1. With 8.1 being the best performer on many PC's.

    Sorry, I didn't find the magazine article to be in any way offensive. Maybe WE don't need to even read it, but there are thousands of maybe millions of others who do.

    Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?

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  2.    19 Apr 2015 #22
    Join Date : Nov 2013
    Idaho USA
    Posts : 4,826
    OS X, Win 10

    Quote Originally Posted by TechnoMage View Post
    Why do I get the feeling that so many people running Windows 10 TP, don't really understand what Beta Testing is all about?

    It is not now and never was supposed to be anyone's MAIN OS.

    I remember on the old Windows 8 forum, where I was a moderator, daily we had to remind people coming on the forum that Windows 8 Beta, was NOT a free new OS, but a Beta Release for testing purposes only.
    At the time, even Microsoft on their download page, would tell people to NOT install the Beta versions over their main OS on their computers. And every day someone would come on the forum wanting to know how to get their Windows 7, Vista or XP back.
    There was NO return path!

    Every time I get a new Build of Windows 10 TP, I back up the version I'm currently running on my TEST PC, and then install the new build, letting the installer re-Format the C: partition where the new build will install.
    This totally prevents any Blending of the new Build with a previous build.
    I try to run every build as if it were coming to me on a brand new store-bought computer. To do otherwise, defeats the whole purpose of Beta Testing.

    I don't know, what some folks purpose is in even being involved in the Beta Testing process, because they certainly don't have the technical expertise to do it effectively. By the time that the current Builds expire, we should all be 'over it', and either running the full release of Windows 10, or back to our OS of choice.

    It may be several years, before I will be running Windows 10 as my everyday OS, but in the mean time, I'm quite happy with XP, Win-7 and Win-8.1. With 8.1 being the best performer on many PC's.

    Sorry, I didn't find the magazine article to be in any way offensive. Maybe WE don't need to even read it, but there are thousands of maybe millions of others who do.

    Y'all have a great day now, Y'hear?


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  3.    19 Apr 2015 #23
    Join Date : Sep 2014
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    64-bit 10240 10 Pro

    I can remember testing Vista and MS would send me the DVD's. Those days are gone.
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  4.    19 Apr 2015 #24
    Join Date : Oct 2014
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    I can remember testing Vista and MS would send me the DVD's. Those days are gone.
    Yeah, I remember that. What with the Internet of today, though, it doesn't take all that long to download the bits. I can remember starting a download in the evening and hoping against hope that it would be finished by morning. And that my computer wouldn't crash during the night!

    Yup, those were the good old days! Yeah, right . . .
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  5.    19 Apr 2015 #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gary View Post
    I can remember testing Vista and MS would send me the DVD's. Those days are gone.
    Yep, now they make .iso's available for direct download...
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  6.    19 Apr 2015 #26
    Join Date : Oct 2013
    Wolves, England
    Posts : 1,634
    W7 Pro x64 | W10 IP x64 | Linux Mint VM

    I've always wondered how burning and mailing out thousands of DVDs would compare to maintaining servers capable of serving thousands of people with downloadable ISOs cost wise.
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  7.    19 Apr 2015 #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by lehnerus2000 View Post
    Another benefit of using VMs for testing.
    If it "dies", you don't need to panic.
    I'd say that doing it dual-boot was a bit better, since then Win10 is running natively and there are no bugs introduced by the VM. Of course, the downside is rebooting...but both my 8.1 & Win10 Preview boot very fast (at least in comparison with Win7 & earlier.)

    Yes, PC World has been a closet Apple shill & anti-Microsoft groupie for as long as I can remember. If there's a way to take a positive story and twist it into a negative, PC World will find it. Lots of sites engage in sensationalism and phony stories to generate page hits...I stay far away from them...!

    This PC World "story" is just plain stupid...very nearly braindead, imo.
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  8.    19 Apr 2015 #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
    I've always wondered how burning and mailing out thousands of DVDs would compare to maintaining servers capable of serving thousands of people with downloadable ISOs cost wise.
    Dunno about the comparison, but I do know that Microsoft contracted out the burning and distribution of the DVDs.

    Thinking about it further, I believe there are several millions of Insiders.

    As an aside, one of the times I visited Microsoft as an MVP and another reason or two, a group of us were taken into the server "room". There were rows and rows and rows of computers stacked, if I remember correctly, about three or four high. I believe we were told this was only one of many rooms just like it.
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  9.    19 Apr 2015 #29
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boozad View Post
    I've always wondered how burning and mailing out thousands of DVDs would compare to maintaining servers capable of serving thousands of people with downloadable ISOs cost wise.
    Do you remember the AoL days? (Back when Case still owned it.) AoL must have mailed out literally millions of AoL "trial/Free" CD's in the US. I recall I had around 30 or so...the wife and I wound up using them as drink coasters before tossing them... Well, the servers are the much cheaper/faster route, because you don't just use those servers for that one task--you use them to facilitate the downloads of many other things, too, at the same time.
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  10.    19 Apr 2015 #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by waltc View Post
    I'd say that doing it dual-boot was a bit better, since then Win10 is running natively and there are no bugs introduced by the VM. Of course, the downside is rebooting...but both my 8.1 & Win10 Preview boot very fast (at least in comparison with Win7 & earlier.)
    I like dual boot better too. Build 10041 seems to have booted into the "choice" a bit faster than Build 10049 does, but it's still as fast as or faster than booting into Windows 8.1 alone.

    I've also been told that running a VM isn't "real world" enough for testing. I don't know whether that's fact or not, but since I have dual boot set up, I ain't agonna worry about it.
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