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  1. CountMike's Avatar
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       #50

    With all those new backup options nowadays, system restore is loosing it's importance. Wouldn't be surprised they kill it or replace with something more powerful. I can't even remember when I used it last time yet I keep on turning it on and making a restore point after upgrade. Some programs like Revo Uninstaller make their own even when turned off in windows. Many were intentionally turning it off to "save" SSD or space on smaller disks.
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  2. Kari's Avatar
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    Windows 10 Pro
       #51

    System Restore simply cannot work across Windows versions, I don't understand what makes it so difficult to understand?

    An example: you are running Windows 7, creating restore points every now and then. You can always use these restore points to go back to earlier point in your Windows 7 installation. Then you upgrade to Windows 10. Of course you can no longer use a restore point to restore Windows 7. The core OS has been changed, a simple restore point cannot restore the previous OS.

    That's why there's the roll back feature: you have 30 days time to roll back to your previous OS, which essentially downgrades your OS.

    The same with Windows 10 Insider builds; they all are completely new versions of Windows. To go back you need to use the roll back feature but when a Windows OS has been upgraded to a new OS version, it is only natural that System Restore cannot be used. Therefore it needs to be turned off and restore points of the previous OS deleted.
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  3. Wynona's Avatar
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       #52

    I agree with everything you say, Kari. My only complaint is that once Restore has been turned off and all Restore Points have been deleted, why then can't Microsoft just turn it back on when installing the new bits?
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  4. CountMike's Avatar
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       #53

    Kari said:
    System Restore simply cannot work across Windows versions, I don't understand what makes it so difficult to understand?

    An example: you are running Windows 7, creating restore points every now and then. You can always use these restore points to go back to earlier point in your Windows 7 installation. Then you upgrade to Windows 10. Of course you can no longer use a restore point to restore Windows 7. The core OS has been changed, a simple restore point cannot restore the previous OS.

    That's why there's the roll back feature: you have 30 days time to roll back to your previous OS, which essentially downgrades your OS.

    The same with Windows 10 Insider builds; they all are completely new versions of Windows. To go back you need to use the roll back feature but when a Windows OS has been upgraded to a new OS version, it is only natural that System Restore cannot be used. Therefore it needs to be turned off and restore points of the previous OS deleted.
    But setting can be turned on automatically after upgrade installation and first check point made.
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  5. Wynona's Avatar
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    Windows 10 1909 Build 18363.657
       #54

    CountMike said:
    But setting can be turned on automatically after upgrade installation and first check point made.
    What you said, Count! :)
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  6. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Windows 10 (Pro and Insider Pro)
       #55

    CountMike said:
    But setting can be turned on automatically after upgrade installation and first check point made.
    Wynona said:
    What you said, Count! :)
    I'm with you on this one! :)
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  7. badrobot's Avatar
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       #56

    Wynona said:
    OK, so you're saying Restore should be ON when the Anniversary Edition ships? I can agree with that, however, shouldn't we be testing all parts of Windows 10? Including Restore? We've now tested with Restore turned off; shouldn't we test for awhile with Restore turned on?
    It's only either ON or OFF. But since this is an optional feature, it should be OFF by default. Like Kari said, every update is like a new installation where all restore points are deleted and System Restore is turned back off.
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  8. CountMike's Avatar
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       #57

    badrobot said:
    It's only either ON or OFF. But since this is an optional feature, it should be OFF by default. Like Kari said, every update is like a new installation where all restore points are deleted and System Restore is turned back off.
    Have to be careful when turning it on. On my system it defaults to 0% when turned on. Without manually setting to some other percentage, it will not even make any points.
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  9. Posts : 485
    Windows 10x64 17713
       #58

    Be interesting to know Microsoft's rationale for disabling system restore (I'm assuming they have one). I've gotten so used to turning it on I don't even think about it anymore.
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  10. AndreTen's Avatar
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    Windows 10 (Pro and Insider Pro)
       #59

    Kari said:
    I have UK & US keyboards (input languages) set, as well as Finnish, Swedish, German and French. Almost after every restart / sign-in, some input languages are missing although still shown in language settings. To get them back I have to remove them and add them again.

    An inconvenience rather than an issue but yet something I would not like to see.

    At the moment after having just restarted, when clicking the input language selection I get this:However, the input languages set up shows this:
    Do you have basic typing dictionaries or possibility to add them? I'm missing them in the last few builds (since 366).
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