Windows 10: How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading

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  1.    25 May 2016 #71

    pcgeek11 said: View Post
    Who cares. It says it is scheduled to Upgrade on Day, Date and Time.... Unless you cancel or change it. Nothing is sneaky. Reading is hard.
    Have a look at the screen shots I just posted and tell me that's not sneaky?
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       25 May 2016 #72

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    Have a look at the screen shots I just posted and tell me that's not sneaky?
    Worse than sneaky. For a company the size of Microsoft it's just totally unproffesional.

    The sort of thing you might expect from a site trying to push malware to you.
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  3.    25 May 2016 #73

    I had to double check so I restarted from the beginning. The Decline the offer (not recommended) in the screen shot is clickable. Sorry for the error. Nothing changed doing it though? I ended up with the same screens in Windows update that I had before. Exactly the same. I'm going to take a break from it tonight. I'll post another screen shot or two tomorrow.
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  4.    26 May 2016 #74

    I ran Windows update several more times and the "Your upgrade to Windows 10 is Ready," message I saw before hasn't come back. The GWX App Icon is in the notifications area though. That's the first time I've seen that. It appears if you click the "Decline the free offer (not recommended)" option on the second OOBE added screen you get the GWX App installed. If you click "OK" you get the "Your upgrade to Windows 10 Ready," message in Windows update? If you look at those two OOBE screen shots I posted you will see, what they want you to click clearly looks like a click button. It's boxed and highlighted. The option they don't want you to use just looks like a text message. It's not obvious it's clickable until you mouse over it.

    Windows 10 hasn't installed all on its own, not yet anyway. Now that the GWX App has installed itself, I'm just going to leave it running and see what happens. I will say this though, make one slip up during the install, and or checking for updates and welcome to Windows 10. You have to go out of your way and do things differently or it will install.
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       26 May 2016 #75

    alphanumeric said: View Post
    I ran Windows update several more times and the "Your upgrade to Windows 10 is Ready," message I saw before hasn't come back. The GWX App Icon is in the notifications area though. That's the first time I've seen that. It appears if you click the "Decline the free offer (not recommended)" option on the second OOBE added screen you get the GWX App installed. If you click "OK" you get the "Your upgrade to Windows 10 Ready," message in Windows update? If you look at those two OOBE screen shots I posted you will see, what they want you to click clearly looks like a click button. It's boxed and highlighted. The option they don't want you to use just looks like a text message. It's not obvious it's clickable until you mouse over it.

    Windows 10 hasn't installed all on its own, not yet anyway. Now that the GWX App has installed itself, I'm just going to leave it running and see what happens. I will say this though, make one slip up during the install, and or checking for updates and welcome to Windows 10. You have to go out of your way and do things differently or it will install.
    Thanks for the follow-up.

    And we expect the "normal" users to know how to do that to prevent the upgrade ?

    By the way, I felt compelled to add this comment which is NOT directed at alphanumeric...................
    The majority of "normal" users are NOT stupid.
    They are just not computer-trained as some of the expert members in these forums. Their lives are not centered around computers.
    I have an alumni who is a retired professor. She is totally computer illiterate. Her defense ........ there was no computer class in college back then.
    I also have an alumni who is a Math professor. He was the Head of the Math Dept until he retired. He is computer incompetent. Go figure.
    They are not stupid by any stretch of imagination.
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       26 May 2016 #76

    Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'


    Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
    Redmond assumes closing nagware dialog means 'yes', says that's by design

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    Microsoft is hurt and disappointed that people would think it was trying to “trick” them with a confusing Windows 10 upgrade dialog that scheduled an upgrade without users explicitly agreeing to do so.

    Redmond recently created a new Windows 10 nagware reminder that presented a dialog asking you to install the OS. But if users clicked the red “X” to close the dialog - standard behaviour for dispelling a dialog without agreeing to do anything - Microsoft took that as permission for the upgrade.

    Redmond (via its flacks) has e-mailed The Register – and, we presume, World+Dog – to say that the UI had worked like that for ages: “the UI of our ‘your upgrade is scheduled’ notification is nothing new (including the ability to just ‘X-out’ of the notification with no further action needed to schedule your upgrade) – it’s been part of the notification UI for months” (their emphasis, not ours).
    Read more: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05...upgrade_trick/
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       26 May 2016 #77

    Business and Ethics are oxymoron.
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  8.    26 May 2016 #78

    davidhk said: View Post
    Thanks for the follow-up.

    And we expect the "normal" users know how to do that to prevent the upgrade ?
    Look at the last screen shot I posted here, How MSFT's tricky new Windows 10 pop-up deceives you into upgrading That was the screen I got after running Windows update manually. It did the normal checking for updates, then that. What would you do? What would you click to actually install the updates it found? Normally it would say install updates.

    In answer to your question, No. I think a lot of people will trip up and end up with an unwanted upgrade.

    On that Windows update screen if you click "show all updates" this is what you will see.

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    Upgrade to Windows 10 is the only one check marked. I had to uncheck it and checkmark all the other manually. Then click the install button in the lower right hand corner. There is no install button on the main screen. The only option is "get started" Guess what happens if you click that?
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  9.    26 May 2016 #79

    Cluster Head said: View Post
    Microsoft won't back down from Windows 10 nagware 'trick'
    Redmond assumes closing nagware dialog means 'yes', says that's by design

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    Read more: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/05...upgrade_trick/
    Confusing news, here it says they have backtracked, unless they backtracked on backtracking.

    Microsoft U-turn on 'nasty trick' pop-up - BBC News
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       26 May 2016 #80

    @alphanumeric


    So, if you click the x thinking you are cancelling the upgrade, does it still show the EULA when it starts to install? If not, that could be an issue with U.S. state's contract laws and possible the FTC. Contract laws very by state. I am not an attorney this is just my opinion.
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